Test Server Findings

[Jem]

I was looking at the JP forum earlier today using Google Translate and there was a dev post that looked to be asking people to test out the quest for unlocking the meritable WS'es. May be that they forced people to do the quest now before it will work again?

[Byrthnoth]

Well, I can give that a shot. They didn't fix Exenterator's TP dependence yet. It's still a flat 90 seconds duration.

[Nightfyre]

I still have Shun and possibly Resolution open, if I haven't lost access to them after the update I'll try to do some brief tests.

EDIT: If not, what's the quest to unlock them?

[Prothescar]

Will head out to mamools and do some Resolution tests shortly, still have it unlocked. Not expecting much tbh

[TummieGaruda]

I was looking at the JP forum earlier today using Google Translate and there was a dev post that looked to be asking people to test out the quest for unlocking the meritable WS'es. May be that they forced people to do the quest now before it will work again?

Lower your level to 96? And then do the quest:

Martial Mastery
Client: Atori-Tutori (Grand Duke
Palace, Ru'Lude Gardens)
Summary:
Amass fifteen merit points to fulfill
your contract with Atori-Tutori and
open the path to heretofore unseen
powers...

[Julian]

Does anyone want to supply me with xmls? It will only take like 5min tops to get them all.

[TummieGaruda]

H2H WS is better than Vsmite w/o Impetus so its worth to merit also.
Since this bullshit ODD cant proc on multiattacks its even less meaningful than before.

If you WS at 100TP Veret DD is only active for 36% of your attacks which means its only +10% melee damage. With solid Shijin set your WS will do more than 10% of Vsmite (Probably around 20% or something).

If the Att bonus on Shijin is 10%, then I only see smite beating SS without impetus if you land 2/4 crits or higher (Might be 3 but I can't do the math right now). It definitely is consistent and more of a WS to use outside Abyssea on high defense NM's or when Impetus isn't up though.

[Byrthnoth]

Resolution looks like it got dropped to about .7 fTP, but I can't say anything definitive because I can't get it to give me a low value. I have 20 crit Resolutions (+11% Crit damage, 232 base damage) between 520 and 560. If we take 560 as max pDIF, it comes out to almost exactly .7 fTP.

[Fwahm]

So looks like with both belt and gorget, and 100 TP, Resolution went from 5.2 fTP to 4.5 fTP.

That's not TOO bad, I guess, but I hope the attack penalty reduction was significant. There's still a chance it could be better than Torcleaver in some situations.

Also, has anyone tested if these WSs carry through their fTP on double attacks and triple attacks, or just the natural hits of the WS (5 for Resolution)?

[Byrthnoth]

Well, someone else is going to have to check what Resolution's exact fTP is. I have been at it for over an hour now and just have this:
520, 528, 535, 538, 540, 541, 541, 542, 542, 544, 547, 548, 549, 550, 554, 556, 557, 557, 559, 560, 560, 560

Nevermind, it looks like SE messed up pDIF again (D130 weapon, 110+20 w/11% Crit damage bonus):
421, 422, 422, 424, 424, 425, 428, 430, 430, 432, 433, 434, 434, 436, 438

If I was a betting man, I'd say we're only seeing the 5%...7%... wtf idk randomizer there. So SE maybe SE accidentally raised the cRatio cap for 2H weapons?

[TummieGaruda]

Spaghetti code...

[Nightfyre]

Only done a few WS so far but it looks like they might have broken it across the board, my Shun damage on level 0 mobs is pretty consistent.

[Byrthnoth]

I strongly suspect that's the case, and it's true for melee damage as well. D130 weapon against L0 monsters:

Noncrits: 1.87 to 2.68 pDIF :: This is approximately the range we'd expect for 2.25 Ratio
345, 324, 329, 309, 345, 289, 325, 261, 326, 252, 335, 293, 265, 291, 271, 274, 339, 349, 330, 315, 316, 256, 286, 327, 311, 338, 325, 253, 288, 266, 307, 323, 273, 342, 277, 306, 302, 307, 308, 300, 278, 246, 305, 265, 277, 315, 309, 325, 254, 275, 290, 275, 319, 255, 263, 310, 299, 317, 317, 340, 318, 284, 342, 341, 332, 254, 315, 255, 297, 282, 324, 280, 304, 339, 307, 301, 309, 319, 278, 273, 333, 250, 313, 262, 332, 299, 315, 308, 288, 271, 245, 315, 302, 277, 247, 329, 279, 341, 339, 292, 275, 321, 255, 249, 260, 279, 323, 243, 300, 297, 291

Crits (Damage+8%): 2.96 : 3.13 pDIF?
441, 435, 436, 426, 423, 439, 422, 424, 429, 430, 439, 424, 428, 424, 434, 422, 432, 424, 433, 425, 433, 438, 436, 421, 434, 434, 427, 430, 428, 424, 430, 415
If they also removed Crit Damage Bonus III from WAR, this would be 3 to 3.13, which are nicer numbers. It would also mean that they may have changed crit damage in general.

Edit: Confirmed it with a 68 damage Crit from Mamoolbane. They removed WAR's Critical Attack Bonus III.

This also means that Resolution is likely .75 fTP base. It probably has the same progression as Entropy and Stardiver.

713 and 718 for 300TP (between .9176 and .9568, so probably the same as the others)

Edit Edit: Nevermind, everything is the same I bet. I just am unused to testing 2H weapons on L0 targets. I didn't realize how much smaller their capped cRatio range is.

[Foldypaws]

They removed Crit Damage III for War?

Oh geez, can you confirm whether THF still has DW3?

[Byrthnoth]

Sure. I'm thinking that we got hit with a code repository version of FFXI though. I'd be unsurprised if they accidentally all the job trait upgrades since 95.

Actually, nope! Thief still gets Dual Wield III (Rounsey/K-club gives exactly 5 TP/hit)

[Selamis]

Removing War's Crit Damage III Trait: Balance! This is turning out to be such an underwhelming meh of an update that was supposed to be epic.

[Byrthnoth]

DNC still gets the trait upgrade, but WAR does not. This is going to be a pain in the ass if they reorganized a bunch of traits like that. Arrrrgh test server wry you test things?

[Atoreis]

Byrth but could you test if att penalty was reduced to 0 or its lower now? (on Resolution)

[Byrthnoth]

Byrth but could you test if att penalty was reduced to 0 or its lower now? (on Resolution)

Prothescar was doing that and went afk. Also, I was wrong about crit hit damage changing in any significant way. It's just that the proportion of >3 to <3 crit hits for 2H weapons is waaay different than 1H weapons due to their higher Ratio. I've only been doing 1H or ranged stuff for a long time.

[Nightfyre]

Blade: Shun's fTP appears to be in the range of 0.68~0.69. High value establishes the lower bound, low value establishes upper bound per Masamune's data.

Spoiler: show

D: 4, 153 DEX, 5% critdmg, all performed at 100.5 TP

306, 315, 311, 307, 315, 284, 309, 312, 280, 317, 319, 315, 297, 309, 309, 281, 305, 309, 317, 285, 315, 276, 270, 302, 292

Done trying to quantify it for now. Going to see if there's still an attack penalty or if it was completely removed.