Test Server Findings

[Atoreis]

If att penalty was reduced to 0 then my project Ragnarok for ultimate mighty strikes might shine again.

[Motenten]

Blade: Shun's fTP appears to be in the range of 0.68~0.69. High value establishes the lower bound, low value establishes upper bound per Masamune's data.

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D: 4, 153 DEX, 5% critdmg, all performed at 100.5 TP

306, 315, 311, 307, 315, 284, 309, 312, 280, 317, 319, 315, 297, 309, 309, 281, 305, 309, 317, 285, 315, 276, 270, 302, 292

Done trying to quantify it for now. Going to see if there's still an attack penalty or if it was completely removed.

Base damage cannot be lower than 97

Per graph, base damage appears to be 97

Weapon: d4
fStr: 8
153 dex (5/5?) = 130 WSC

Total base before fTP: 142

fTP between 0.6830985915493 and 0.6901338028169

Considered as fractions of 1024: between 700 and 706

704/1024 = 88/128 (as indications are that fTP tends to be integer units of /128) = 0.6875

[Nightfyre]

Base damage cannot be lower than 97

Per graph, base damage appears to be 97

Weapon: d4
fStr: 8
153 dex (5/5?) = 130 WSC

Total base before fTP: 142

fTP between 0.6830985915493 and 0.6901338028169

Considered as fractions of 1024: between 700 and 706

704/1024 = 88/128 (as indications are that fTP tends to be integer units of /128) = 0.6875

That was my guess as well but I didn't want to say for certain given the lack of a 322 damage hit. It's not a terrible result; comes out similar to Blade: Hi assuming no attack penalty and moderate critrate on Hi if not Shun isn't overcapping cRatio (assuming use of gorget/belt obviously). So now the question is, did they completely remove the attack penalty?

And yeah, test was done with 5/5 merits.

[Motenten]

That was my guess as well but I didn't want to say for certain given the lack of a 322 damage hit.

Max damage should be 320, and you got 319, so seems good enough to me.

If base damage was 98, max would be 323. Given the lack of anything 320-323, combined with the fairly tight clustering of distribution, it seems extremely unlikely.

Will have to add this to the spreadsheet.

[noodles355]

Thief still gets Dual Wield III (Rounsey/K-club gives exactly 5 TP/hit)

So there was something good in this update at least.

I do still wonder who in the Dev team thought it would be a good idea to make weaponskills that require 1 million limit points in order to be a sidegrade.

[Septimus]

So there was something good in this update at least.

I do still wonder who in the Dev team thought it would be a good idea to make weaponskills that require 1 million limit points in order to be a sidegrade.

We may never know who thought it up, but we do know why.

[Prothescar]

Resolution still appears to have an attack penalty, but it is far more minor than it was previously. Have to do more testing later to verify potency.

[noodles355]

We may never know who thought it up, but we do know why.

Oh great now I have a mental image of a Japanese man destroying Can't Stop Loving You in a karaoke booth -.-

Edit: ai can stapu raavin yu no maa wa ai say or do

[Nightfyre]

ai can stapu raavin yu no maa wa ai say or do

Resolution still appears to have an attack penalty, but it is far more minor than it was previously. Have to do more testing later to verify potency.

...fuck.

Don't know if I'll have time to check for one on Shun before the update hits but I'll try to.

[Prothescar]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/o...arduo/nope.png

[Nameless]

Resolution still appears to have an attack penalty, but it is far more minor than it was previously. Have to do more testing later to verify potency.

I got similar result, it is doing pretty evenly with Torcleaver now.

PS: even on Kaggen.

[Prothescar]

Attack Penalty looks to be as low as 5 and as high as 10. I have a shit sample size and no time to expand on it right now, so take from it what you will. Not anywhere near concrete, just a base to work off of.

[Nameless]

Yea, I estimated at most 10% as well since it not only was keeping up with Torcleaver on Kaggen, but also doing slightly better, which it should with 100% STR mod vs 60% VIT mod and slightly lower ftp with gorget and belt and earring.

However, I strongly suspect that the accuracy bonus of first hit is carried over to all hits just like the ftp. I rarely ever missing a hit, and against Kaggen, I shouldn't have 95% accuracy with heafoc mitt and ares body (was using ares instead of twilight body to see if I miss more). Under the same theory, all hits should be able to DA or TA instead of the first 2 hits.

I think the accuracy thing if confirmed, can be the decisive factor on which GS WS is the best.

[Prothescar]

Under the same theory, all hits should be able to DA or TA instead of the first 2 hits.

Already quite possible that this is the case for all weaponskills. Only two hits being able to DA/TA while staying within the 8 hit per round cap, not just the first two. Pretty much the most annoying thing ever to test though.

[Kaope]

Stupid question, does anyone have a list of which gorgets useable for these new wses?

[Prothescar]

Shijin Spiral - Flame, Light, Aqua
Exenterator - Breeze, Thunder, Soil
Requiscat - Shadow, Soil
Resolution - Breeze, Thunder, Soil
Ruinator - Snow, Aqua, Breeze
Upheavel - Flame, Light, Shadow
Entropy - Shadow, Soil, Aqua
Stardiver - Shadow, Soil, Light
Blade: Shun - Flame, Light, Thunder
Tachi: Shoha - Breeze, Thunder, Shadow
Realmrazer - Flame, Light, Thunder
Shattersoul - Shadow, Soil, Snow
Apex Arrow - Breeze, Thunder, Light
Last Stand - Fire, Light, Aqua

[fantasticdan]

As a follow-up to that, which WS have the damage increased on all hits with gorget/belt?

[Atomic Skull]

Yea, I estimated at most 10% as well since it not only was keeping up with Torcleaver on Kaggen, but also doing slightly better, which it should with 100% STR mod vs 60% VIT mod and slightly lower ftp with gorget and belt and earring.

However, I strongly suspect that the accuracy bonus of first hit is carried over to all hits just like the ftp. I rarely ever missing a hit, and against Kaggen, I shouldn't have 95% accuracy with heafoc mitt and ares body (was using ares instead of twilight body to see if I miss more). Under the same theory, all hits should be able to DA or TA instead of the first 2 hits.

I think the accuracy thing if confirmed, can be the decisive factor on which GS WS is the best.

Bet they give a WS damage boost to lvl 99 empyreans to keep empyrean WS better than merit WS.

[Prothescar]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/o...kafication.png

[Seph]

Star wars mmo/Guild wars 2/ Diabolo 3 and god knows how many epic tier MMOs are coming and SE use the same old stupid formula

Give people the best WS with those 1million merit point ws, who gives a shit about emp, give those best weapon DMG/Delay ratio with aftermath then they should be happy and stfu, they can still use the newer WS.
The different between an emp and none emp DD is huge and breaks the lolbalance that SE talk about all the time and no not everyone wants to get an emp because they rather do fun things over killing the same shit again and again.

If the newer ws are not the "best" people wont bother to get them fully merited and they shouldn't unless they were insane