Test Server Findings

**Atoreis** · 2011-12-25 05:10

Originally Posted by Cream Soda

I'd have rather then given smite to Spharai than to nerf smite because Spharai lacks

Idk man Spharai looks very tough now with new WS.
I did some test at Kaggen at test server with 95 Spharai.
My set was looking

Spharai/x/x/thew
Aias/love/thunder/brutal
osode/af2+2/thunder/epona
athleing/pipilaka/byakko/af2+2

so I was lacking few items that will bump damage some more for sure. Not to mention DiaII etc.

Avg from 17 WS i did (I needed to finish testing because I went to familiy house for Christmas Eve :/ ) was 1472 which is pretty decent imo.
Considering MNK even with relic proc gimped to one fist is still best (at least thats what I remember from doing math last time) at melee phase damage it makes it one of the best pure DD in game ( especially after Ukko nerf ).

**Appie** · 2011-12-25 07:12

Originally Posted by Cream Soda

I'd have rather then given smite to Spharai than to nerf smite because Spharai lacks

Making new Final Heaven dmg calculations is hard shit and take over 4 months to complete for the barance, yet they can make a better WS for relic with Shijin in a shorter timeframe lolz.

**Atoreis** · 2011-12-25 07:21

Spharai is now pretty much equal to Veret in term of pure DD power (it actually surpass it outside of VW and abyssea) and still hold much better bonus for defensive capabilities so I dont see how Spharai holders can whine at anything outside of 99 trial.

**Appie** · 2011-12-25 09:08

Not really objecting that Shijin makes Spharai worth a fuck again, just find it funny that a fix for the WS on the actual weapon is taking longer than a merit WS they just threw in.

**Vyvian** · 2011-12-25 11:06

You mean it isn't weaker for the utility of the Subtle Blow +10 aftermath for 30 seconds?

Being serious though, I'm beginning to doubt they intend to "fix" any of the broken weapon skills, reading dev notes lately reminds me of DRK, which summarizes as: "It's not broken, you're just not doing what we want you to do"

**Greatguardian** · 2011-12-25 12:03

To be honest, does it really matter if Final Heaven gets fixed? The Aftermath is worthless, and the ODD is independent of AM, so there's really no reason to need to use Final Heaven at all.

I mean, obviously, if you like it for the sake of liking it that's fine. But from a practical standpoint, Shijin fixed Spharai. It's not like any non-Relic using Shijin can beat out Vereth. That is reserved for Relic alone.

**Taim Meich** · 2011-12-25 12:10

wrong thread -_-

**Appie** · 2011-12-25 15:02

Originally Posted by Greatguardian

To be honest, does it really matter if Final Heaven gets fixed? The Aftermath is worthless, and the ODD is independent of AM, so there's really no reason to need to use Final Heaven at all.

I mean, obviously, if you like it for the sake of liking it that's fine. But from a practical standpoint, Shijin fixed Spharai. It's not like any non-Relic using Shijin can beat out Vereth. That is reserved for Relic alone.

AM's could be altered, though it doesn't look like SE will ("afterglow" subtle blow+10? lolz).

I'm in the boat that I bolded in the quote. Shijin is a nice gesture that unlike most jobs this patch and every other relic waiting for something that could qualify as a "fix", but I would like to use the WS on the weapon, at the least situationally (like I could at 75). Silly, I know, especially with the 99 trial in mind (sarcasm). Though I should count my blessings? At least (relic) monk is somewhat spared in the Tanaka rage? =D

**Atoreis** · 2011-12-25 15:13

Originally Posted by Vyvian

You mean it isn't weaker for the utility of the Subtle Blow +10 aftermath for 30 seconds?

Being serious though, I'm beginning to doubt they intend to "fix" any of the broken weapon skills, reading dev notes lately reminds me of DRK, which summarizes as: "It's not broken, you're just not doing what we want you to do"

TBH Watching my parses on DRK I must agree with devs that you doing something wrong if you are not close to top DD. Its the same as I need to agree with them about Dcarlet delirium. This ability used correctly is VERY powerful. Yes it can be tricky to trigger it with great success but boost that you get for effort is probably highest among all JA of the game. All you need to do is think a little. Mob can cast -ga IV? Pop fanatic go in range. Mob can do medium-high dmg AoE? Wait for it befor you use fanatic. Argument that you can die or WHM need to use MP on you is stupid. If you know what you are doing its not dengerous and MP is not a problem on most events now. This ability is first ja that require some tactic and make whole using it a small minigame and ppl dislike it :/

**Nameless** · 2011-12-25 15:23

I just parsed 35.5% as Drk on Ig-Alima, 68 resolutions in 1 fight, about 855 per pop. I was alive for the most part until it was like 12%. But just saying, Drk if used right, is no slouch. No ukko WAR in the fight to compare tho. But I think if you can kill Ig-Alima, the level of players can't be too bad.

PS: Fulgurante OAT was the weapon I was using.

**Atoreis** · 2011-12-25 15:39

Originally Posted by Nameless

I just parsed 35.5% as Drk on Ig-Alima, 68 resolutions in 1 fight, about 855 per pop. I was alive for the most part until it was like 12%. But just saying, Drk if used right, is no slouch. No ukko WAR in the fight to compare tho. But I think if you can kill Ig-Alima, the level of players can't be too bad.

PS: Fulgurante OAT was the weapon I was using.

68 Resolution is kinda high number for 1 fight so it was either a partial wipe or you was using some very low number of DDs?

**Nameless** · 2011-12-25 15:49

Empy Mnk, Empy Mnk, Relic War, Empy Sam, OAT Drk, Cor

Pld, Pld, Smn, Nin, Whm, Brd

Blm, Blm, Blm, Rdm, Blu, Blu

Was the setup.

Then pld changed to Apoc Drk in the next fight.

**Atoreis** · 2011-12-25 17:21

Originally Posted by Nameless

Empy Mnk, Empy Mnk, Relic War, Empy Sam, OAT Drk, Cor

Pld, Pld, Smn, Nin, Whm, Brd

Blm, Blm, Blm, Rdm, Blu, Blu

Was the setup.

Then pld changed to Apoc Drk in the next fight.

The other DDs really sucked then lol.

**Nameless** · 2011-12-25 17:36

I don't think you win this fight if they are really that bad tbh.

**Atoreis** · 2011-12-25 19:55

Originally Posted by Nameless

I don't think you win this fight if they are really that bad tbh.

They are very bad if you got 35% lol.

**Kalasin** · 2011-12-25 19:57

if you parsed 35% with that many DD, they did suck.

**Niiro** · 2011-12-25 20:03

35% in a group like that tells me someone needs to double check their chat log filters.

**Nameless** · 2011-12-25 20:03

Then I am glad a Drk can make or break the whole battle :D

**Nameless** · 2011-12-25 20:05

how about 200k overall damage for the whole fight.... if you think it is filtered...

**Atoreis** · 2011-12-25 20:28

Those other DDs died early or were staggering whole fight otherwise its impossible. Even assuming you had 100% higher ws frequency then MNKs should have made at least 34 WSs with avg of something around 1200 minimum Thats 40k damage and at least 20k should had came from their melee so 120k total for both MNKs. That 190k with your 70k out of 200k HP. So WAR COR SAM and 3 BLMs did total of 10k ? lol

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