Test Server Findings

[Sekundes]

They never would but one way they could do it would be to make the remove-petrify in to "prevent-petrify" when there isn't another status ailment to heal on you or other pt members and have it give you a 1 minute single use divine caress-like prevention. I won't say it's useless but if there are others with me, chances are I'd be /sam. Or just make a pet command that activates the status removal breaths and can be used while petrified or otherwise inhibited.

/dream

[Ophannus]

Wonder when these will go live

[Byrthnoth]

I want to bet late january/early february, but realistically I'm betting they'll go test-server-live then and we'll see them on the real server around February/April.

[Tyler]

Oh ho ho, Drg jumps getting reduced from 1min30 to 1min, high jump from 3min to 2min, and spirit surge getting lengthened from 1min to 1min30. Also healing breath 4 at Lv80ish, and remove curse/plague/petrify breaths. That's awesome. Although I am curious to know how I can use Remove Petrify if I'm petrified...

Also Pld Roll being changed to -dmg taken (-25% 11) and whm roll to Cure pot (+25% 11). Few other rolls getting strengthened too.

Is it still worth getting Bravura?

I have the same question. Pld roll will effectively mean that aftermath of bravura is worthless.

I am worried that this basically moves Bravura from one of the better relics to just barely above Claustrum. Thoughts?

[Neisan]

Brovura doesn't really need to rely on M Torment in the first place though. Upheaval just isn't a large upgrade compared to RR outside.

SE would have to nerf war into the ground for Brovura to be anywhere near close to claustrum on the suck spectrum.

[Yugl]

I have the same question. Pld roll will effectively mean that aftermath of bravura is worthless.

I am worried that this basically moves Bravura from one of the better relics to just barely above Claustrum. Thoughts?

I doubt that. You won't always have a COR (L-man situations, especially). If you do get a COR, it's likely they will be buffing your damage. If you get a COR and they use the roll, Bravura allows you to full-time melee gear and still have 50% DT.

[dasva]

The same reason why WHM can cast Silena and Stona on themselves.

He my npc used to silena itself... while silenced somehow

[Sechs]

Also Pld Roll being changed to -dmg taken (-25% 11) and whm roll to Cure pot (+25% 11). Few other rolls getting strengthened too.

And BRD keeps getting... nothing. Since lv 75 what did we get? Couple of new tiers, Scherzo and... Nocturne.

[dasva]

Hey at least you aren't rdm... some T4 nukes and the ability to up our own and only our own stats a little oh and give ourselves double attack...

[Sechs]

Don't wanna get into that argument, because RDMs have plenty of reasons to whine. Wanted to do the comparison with BRD because they both are supposed to be "buffers".
COR was initially less powerful than BRD, but had buffs around the concept of luck and could "support" pt with a moderate DD, that BRD certainly couldn't do.
Now COR is a fantastic DD, on some mobs it's one of the best DDs because of how "peculiar" Quick Draw is and how powerful Wildfire is in their hands.
Their buffs are insane and have a much wider choice of things to offer.

And BRD? lolbrd
Guess they'll change Minne to PDT as well maybe? But BRD needed some different special thing if you ask me. You can't expect every BRD to have a lv99 Daurdabla to be useful >.> Even Nocturne sucked pretty much. Doesn't stack with Addle (one day someone should explain to me why they gave it to WHM as well...), doesn't overwrite Addle, doesn't overwrite itself. Also Addle, even if more powerful (tiers, powerup JA etc) cannot overwrite Nocturne.
At this point one could have hoped for it to be a different element, similar to how Dispel is Dark and Finale is Light, but noooo, it's the same element as Addle.
I mean, what's the fu**ing point?
24 more levels and basically the only new toy we got is Scherzo >.>

[Greatguardian]

Yeah, lolMarch indeed.


Wait, what?

[Alkimi]

Hey at least you aren't rdm... some T4 nukes and the ability to up our own and only our own stats a little oh and give ourselves double attack...

Sad that the only thing I use RDM for now is to solo that KCNM for Fervor ring.

[InsaniacTHF]

PLD roll will still never be used unless COR gets that 3rd roll that they were talking about. Even then I would probably rather have 3 DD rolls up unless they nerf fanatics drinks.

[noodles355]

I have the same question. Pld roll will effectively mean that aftermath of bravura is worthless.

How do you possibly come to that conclusion? If anything it will make bravura stronger as while other DDs will need Pld Roll, Bravura can have 2 DD Rolls and keep the same PDT. Realistically, unless they release some non-voidwatch, non-temp item, non-proc monsters, DDs will be better off with 2 DD rolls anyway. And if/when cor gets a 3rd roll, they will still probably be better off with 3 DD rolls.

[Helel]

The updates to the rolls are fairly useless. I'm not changing my mule's WHM gear every time there's a COR in the party... (for 50% CP); as was already stated, there's no point in using PLD roll when there are fanatic drinks.

I'm more interested in the utility of /drg with the reduction of high jump recast. Should be nice for some situations on RNG.

[NynJa]

How do the smn feet+2 with aug work? Increases Sp. 'Blood Pact crit. dmg

All of the merited BP's are supposed to be magical, and they cant crit. How does the crit dmg get increased if they cant crit?

[SargentRemora]

How do the smn feet+2 with aug work? Increases Sp. 'Blood Pact crit. dmg

All of the merited BP's are supposed to be magical, and they cant crit. How does the crit dmg get increased if they cant crit?

The Critical hit rate on the Feet is a mistranslation, it is in fact Magic Critical hit rate. I believe the testing in the Relic +2 thread said it was an additional 4 MAB on crit. So augmentted Zenith still win.

[Foldypaws]

Checked benediction on the off chance they added mp restoration to it, but no dice. Popped a poison potion too, cleared it like normal, but didn't do anything like a sacrosanctity resistance buff. Not sure what else they could have done to it...

Oh, one thing that occurs to me. Bene isn't actually a full HP restore. It's actually a value based on your level or HP or something. (Easy to test with a low level WHM using Bene on a higher level target. I used it as a level 50 WHM in Besieged once, and I think it restored 2x my max HP? That's hazy memory of something from several years ago though.)

As such, "Enhances Benediction" probably increases that amount, which makes it functionally useless, since 99% of the time it's effectively a full HP restore at it's normal value.

[Helel]

Hard to judge/measure snapshot values exactly, but the relic +2 body enhances snapshot (with 5/5 merits) seems to be exactly the same enhancement that empyrean body provides (by enhancing velocity shot). I'd guess it to be around 10% (possibly 2% per merit like the merits themselves), because it is quite noticeable. Even though it's the same boost as empyrean body, it's still the best body to use for beginning your shots, due to the rapid shot +7 as well.

Edit: Also, I really have no clue what the enhances double shot damage does... It must be a straight-up boost to ranged attack because it isn't even noticeable on low level mobs (i.e. it's definitely not a % boost to damage making it somewhat pointless).

[dasva]

Were you killing those low lvl mobs on the first shot?