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[Yugl]

I dont even...

What you wrote ave no sense at all. why? Because of:
1. VW part 1 2 3
2. Legion
3. Dynamis revamp
4. Incoming Nyzul, Limbus, Salvage, Ein revamps
5. Pretty much regular update for many jobs and they keep going with it

They doing much more than they were doing when they had 10x more resources so idk why you complain that they did some "lolcontent" that probably took a few days for them.

Actually using resources doesn't mean you didn't have more resources initially. Two of the five points (Total of four events) you listed haven't been implemented yet. VW and Dynamis aren't indicative of bustling resources. VW is strictly battle which is the minimum for end game content. Dynamis is a revamp and even that carried over a few months. You cannot assess distribution of resources simply by looking at what you have (Or will have in the future). You have to look at the circumstance counterfactually and see whether redirecting effort would have improved the rate of release or enriched the content. Thus, the problem you have overlooked is that no matter how much you rationalize the situation, SE poured effort into content that we suspect no one will finish (within a reasonable amount of time).

[Lyramion]

In my opinion an MMO always needs...

A) Useless items.
B) "Holy Grail" items.


You need "useless" items as a contrast to useful items, you should have a choice what to equip, even if it's painfully obvious what's better. And sometimes great minds even engineer situations where a "useless" item becomes useful. For example that silly ring from the Ghost in Gusgen. Utter trash, till one day it found its way into Fire Resist sets. Also some things are highly situational, it should be your choice on how far you go with these on a particular job.

Holy Grail items. Remember AV? They sure went over the top with it at 75 cap, yet you can count on ppl lusting for the items for years, I'm sure I did. While it may be ridiculus to obtain such items, they always give a sense of "there is more", you aren't at the cap of your powers yet. This is the final final upgrade stage of legendary FFXI weapons, let them create their holy grail, especially when the final stage is a novelty glow effect and buff effect for your PT members. There will be no "Oh my weapon doesn't do max damage!", only "woah this JP dude really did this, well epenis+100 to him"


These are some of the things making an MMO feel alive. I sure wouldn't like a simple progression where you get a sword at level 1, sword +1 at level 20 and at max level sword +5 being the best weapon.

[Yugl]

AV is incomparable to these items. First, AV had multiple drops, so you could distribute the rewards. Completing a stage two weapons will easily be a particularistic claim to goods. Second, the certainty of defeating AV was uncertain. The whole process was lined with hopes of defeating AV. In this scenario, given what we know, the timeline of these weapons is a certainty. If we had no glitches or DRK tactics that worked against AV (As these were taken to be "improper" means of defeating him), I can imagine that you would be troubled to know that you would need to wait over four years before defeating him.

Lastly, acts like this actually undermine your "there is more" argument. Once you create a pinnacle, there cannot be "more." If there cannot be more, you can assure yourself (CAUTION!) that anything you obtain, will never exceed the standard of these weapons. This is what happened at 75. People became content (Not necessarily maximized) with what they had because the bar was relatively stable. Only by breaking the level cap could SE allow this to fluctuate and saturate the craving for new armor. However, if you put forth a task like this, you cannot reasonably expect to break that bar for some time. That segments into the last section of this point, which is that the game is dated. You cannot expect the same type of trials to test players as they did years ago. You have to recognize the audience you are dealing with.

[falseliberty]

idk why but the post about 14 makes me rage and hope the person dies in a grease fire... sorry carry on

[Atoreis]

AV is incomparable to these items. First, AV had multiple drops, so you could distribute the rewards. Completing a stage two weapons will easily be a particularistic claim to goods. Second, the certainty of defeating AV was uncertain. The whole process was lined with hopes of defeating AV. In this scenario, given what we know, the timeline of these weapons is a certainty. If we had no glitches or DRK tactics that worked against AV (As these were taken to be "improper" means of defeating him), I can imagine that you would be troubled to know that you would need to wait over four years before defeating him.

Lastly, acts like this actually undermine your "there is more" argument. Once you create a pinnacle, there cannot be "more." If there cannot be more, you can assure yourself (CAUTION!) that anything you obtain, will never exceed the standard of these weapons. This is what happened at 75. People became content (Not necessarily maximized) with what they had because the bar was relatively stable. Only by breaking the level cap could SE allow this to fluctuate and saturate the craving for new armor. However, if you put forth a task like this, you cannot reasonably expect to break that bar for some time. That segments into the last section of this point, which is that the game is dated. You cannot expect the same type of trials to test players as they did years ago. You have to recognize the audience you are dealing with.

I think you making yourself a center of the world now.
When most of NA old players who has been in this game for a while and have kids, jobs etc. probably wont make afterglow version, there are still JPs with no life that will try to get it and feel good when they finish.

Check RL, for example sports. How many ppl in the world swims? How many swims at Olympic? 0.00001% of them all? How much time and resources you need to prepare Olympic?

[Hirronimus]

Enough of this materialistic bullshit! I want fucking missions.

[Seph]

I think you making yourself a center of the world now.
When most of NA old players who has been in this game for a while and have kids, jobs etc. probably wont make afterglow version, there are still JPs with no life that will try to get it and feel good when they finish.

Check RL, for example sports. How many ppl in the world swims? How many swims at Olympic? 0.00001% of them all? How much time and resources you need to prepare Olympic?

Linking RL to having kids or jobs is laughable, life don't start at certain point due some new activity
unless they didn't have hobbies/studying/reading random stuff/traveling/etc before that which suppose to keep people busy in life

Only someone who sacrifice too much in life get 5 emps and a relic is a fact.

Just saying, people wont listen to RL lecture from someone with 5 emp and a relic
Spare us the hypocrisy.

[dasva]

Check RL, for example sports. How many ppl in the world swims? How many swims at Olympic? 0.00001% of them all? How much time and resources you need to prepare Olympic?

Probably less than finishing these trials and then you get fame fortune and are actively getting yourself in rediculously good shape while in the game you get to glow and sit there and get fat...

[noodles355]

But you will get to be fat and glowing.

[Kalasin]

Only someone who sacrifice too much in life get 5 emps and a relic is a fact.

Just saying, people wont listen to RL lecture from someone with 5 emp and a relic
Spare us the hypocrisy.

What the fuck are you on? Emps take a few days to make, if you play 3 days a week you can easily finish one a week. Relics take gil and 2 Dynamis runs. The Dynamis runs don't even take 2 hours to get the items needed (most of the time, fuck Attests). And if you are trying to say that making gil in FFXI is hard or takes a lot of time(aside from waiting for things to sell I guess? Not that this has to be your playtime though), please go away now.
You can take as much time for the trials as you want to. Nobody is forcing you to finish them the second you get the base weapon.
Not to mention there are people who started playing before Abyssea too and worked on their relic/s before that as well.

What you are saying is pretty pathetic, and I don't think you have any idea of how little effort it takes to do most of the older things in FFXI right now.

[Selamis]

Enough of this materialistic bullshit! I want fucking missions.

Yea seriously. That to me is the best part of the game, is doing the missions and seeing a story play out.

[dasva]

What the fuck are you on? Emps take a few days to make, if you play 3 days a week you can easily finish one a week. Relics take gil and 2 Dynamis runs. The Dynamis runs don't even take 2 hours to get the items needed (most of the time, fuck Attests). And if you are trying to say that making gil in FFXI is hard or takes a lot of time(aside from waiting for things to sell I guess? Not that this has to be your playtime though), please go away now.
You can take as much time for the trials as you want to. Nobody is forcing you to finish them the second you get the base weapon.
Not to mention there are people who started playing before Abyssea too and worked on their relic/s before that as well.

What you are saying is pretty pathetic, and I don't think you have any idea of how little effort it takes to do most of the older things in FFXI right now.

Those couple of days you speak of are really really long days. I know for a fact that he has done a single stage in just a day a few times... but those were like 22 hours non stop play with him triboxing and his friend dual boxing. The amount of time for someone without those resources goes up ALOT. Even more so for people who sure can play those 3 days a week but not more than a few hours at a time. Not everyone can go home and dual box for 12 hours to get this done in 3 days like you say. Funny thing about rl and job is they actually effect what you can do while at home as well


Like say I did briaerus everyday when I got home for a few weeks. Only had a couple of hours so I'd dual box all the pop nms as fast as I could and then fight the boss. Usually took 2 hours sometimes a little less and if people were being assholes alot more. Usually got around 3.5 trophies each time. So even though I could play everyday of the week and I was even dual boxing it took a couple of weeks for 1 stage. I think Ato has all his at 90 except the one at 95


And it took me 4 runs to get my attestation thank you. 3 were spent getting 1 pop item solo. The last run was actually with Atoreis and crew and with all of us non stop killing we got 2 pop items and got lucky that one of them dropped the attestation we needed.

[Seph]

What the fuck are you on? Emps take a few days to make, if you play 3 days a week you can easily finish one a week. Relics take gil and 2 Dynamis runs. The Dynamis runs don't even take 2 hours to get the items needed (most of the time, fuck Attests). And if you are trying to say that making gil in FFXI is hard or takes a lot of time(aside from waiting for things to sell I guess? Not that this has to be your playtime though), please go away now.
You can take as much time for the trials as you want to. Nobody is forcing you to finish them the second you get the base weapon.
Not to mention there are people who started playing before Abyssea too and worked on their relic/s before that as well.

What you are saying is pretty pathetic, and I don't think you have any idea of how little effort it takes to do most of the older things in FFXI right now.

Hit a Nerf clearly
Yeah ok everyone run around with 5 emps and relic it's matter of days and all.

Spare me us the hypocrisy again.

Using the excuse of "now i have kids or job" is the pathetic thing, if you had no job or kid you don't mind going for level 99 pathetic upgrade? AS IF. It's like admitting being a complete tool that you was before so it was acceptable before but not now

Most people don't feel the same, so deal with it.

[Kalasin]

Hit a nerve clearly
Yeah ok everyone run around with 5 emps and relic it's matter of days and all.

Spare me us the hypocrisy again.

Using the excuse of "now i have kids or job" is the pathetic thing, if you had no job or kid you don't mind going for level 99 pathetic upgrade? AS IF. It's like admitting being a complete tool that you was before so it was acceptable before but not now

Most people don't feel the same, so deal with it.

Feel the same about what? I didn't say I agree with the trials with a single word, I was responding to your idiotic attempt to sound smart and to bitch at people who have things you don't have. Deal with it indeed.

Abyssea has been out for how long now? Having 5 Empyrean weapons a year after the event came out is by no means a reason to say someone is playing too much FFXI and has no life.

[Yugl]

I think you making yourself a center of the world now.
When most of NA old players who has been in this game for a while and have kids, jobs etc. probably wont make afterglow version, there are still JPs with no life that will try to get it and feel good when they finish.

Check RL, for example sports. How many ppl in the world swims? How many swims at Olympic? 0.00001% of them all? How much time and resources you need to prepare Olympic?

Yes, I'm making myself the center of the universe by not talking from the perspective of players, equivalent to Olympics participants, who are clearly in the majority. If the best argument you can make for why they should maintain these trials is is that a select few might complete these trials (A proposition you claim will happen, but is actually uncertain), then any trial is acceptable. Why not bump it up to 2000 PW items? Some JP with no life might complete the trial and feel good, after all!

[Spira]

Yea seriously. That to me is the best part of the game, is doing the missions and seeing a story play out.

Thirded.

I was hoping there'd be some story to fall back on for VW.. but so far its been a ball of disappointment

[dasva]

I loved the story and cutscenes in WoTG... even if it took them years to finish

[Prothescar]

lol, Atoreis complaining about people making themselves the center of the world

[Seol]

Next thing you know, SE will have to install nets for the people who threaten to suicide because they can't glow.

[Deader2818]

I clearly remember Atoreis making one of the biggest stinks about ukko nerf and "Fuck WAR, ill go level SAM now! SAM is better than WAR!" and being oh so sure that SE would lower the amount of items needed for Stage 2 99 (they didn't, and actually more then triple the amount for empy) Dude always makes a spectacle of himself.