Test Server Findings

[MaachaQ]

None of the tricks to get Windower to run on the test server are working for me >< Do I need to be running the alpha version? I tried everything listed in this thread, but none of it worked for me... I can't post on the Windower forums, for whatever reason I've never been able to make an account there.

[Karbuncle]

Is it really worth all that trouble to just not play on the Official version?

I guess its a dependency thing (script macros, etc). Personally I've never used Windower So i guess I wouldn't know how it would feel to get that kind of convenience then need to be forced off it.

Hope it works out =.=a

[ccf]

Here's the info on upgrading relic / mythic / emp from 90 to 95:

Empyreans:
- 1500x plates of heavy metal

Runics:
- 3x Boss from Salvage

Relics:
- 10 x Animated <weapon> from Dynamis-Xarca

This is kidding right?

If this is true then Se being utterly unreasonable... i am guessing runics = mythic? That's like 3 hr work...3 boss of salvage...and if i am not mistaken 10 animated weapons from xarca probably won't take that long... but 1500 plates? urgh...Unless each mob drops x10 which I doubt (and even if so, 150 of the same NMs?) , who really is interested to do for +3 stat and some dmg...

Yes before someone flames me, I am aware how hard mythic is (helping 2 friends getting it, so I do know the pain..), but if all they want is 3 bosses, might as well not set any requisite..

[Karbuncle]

Don't know, Take into consideration how long it takes to get 1,500 Currency. If the Drop rates are similar to that, it wouldn't be too long.

However, I do remember SE saying they wanted to "Balance the difficulty in obtaining these weapons" Rather than nerfing Empyreans. This could be that balance. 1,500 of this item compared to what, 180,000 Currency and 30,000 alexandrite? seems piddly if you ask me.

It depends on how you obtain them.

Yes. My Opinion changed in like, 10 minutes between this post and my one on the last page. With my mighty robo-logic, I can change my mind much quicker than you humans.

[MaachaQ]

Is it really worth all that trouble to just not play on the Official version?

I guess its a dependency thing (script macros, etc). Personally I've never used Windower So i guess I wouldn't know how it would feel to get that kind of convenience then need to be forced off it.

Hope it works out =.=a

I would have to re-write all my PS2-era macros... without Windower I have literally no gear swaps at all >< I want my Spellcast back; so much easier to edit my .xml macro info there and copy it from computer to computer depending on where I play.

[Atoreis]

1. I have no idea why ppl don't like synergy. It's by far best craft in this game
a) it's easy to lvl up and cheap
b) can join together other crafts
c) you actually participate in craft instead of just looking at the animation in hope of getting HQ/not getting break.

2. 1500 Iron plates looks like some new currency similar to ABC, Alex etc. and will probably drop in quantity between this of ABC and WoE coins.

3. Mythic owners probably are happy and sad at the same time. Our guess was 3x PW which could be fun with 100% trigger drop rate and gathering for znm once again Salvage bosses are a piece of cake.

[Byrthnoth]

Is it really worth all that trouble to just not play on the Official version?

I guess its a dependency thing (script macros, etc). Personally I've never used Windower So i guess I wouldn't know how it would feel to get that kind of convenience then need to be forced off it.

Hope it works out =.=a

Being able to alt-tab and look things up/use calculator/whatever is 100% worth it. What the hell am I testing if I have nothing to compare it to?

Similarly, until someone gets K-parser working the test server won't really be at maximum capacity.

[Gustave]

If it hasn't been posted yet, here's the info from the JP .dats.

Links borked now. Did the post get moved?

[Karbuncle]

Being able to alt-tab and look things up/use calculator/whatever is 100% worth it. What the hell am I testing if I have nothing to compare it to?

Similarly, until someone gets K-parser working the test server won't really be at maximum capacity.

Hmmm? What is it you would need to test that couldn't be done with a piece of paper and a pen, or a Caculator, Jot down information, compare after? I see your point though... So, The Test Server cannot be windowed? Seems kinda... dumb.

Again, Hope ya figure it out Maach.

[Byrthnoth]

They might have straight up deleted it or merged it with another thread. It was in the Bismarck forum, but now I can't find it.

@Karb, if it's something like Dual Wield, I like to be able to do things like calculate my TP/hit with different amounts of dual wield with certain combined delay before I pick weapons so that I know if my test is going to tell me anything. Look at this, for instance. If I'd chosen the wrong delay value, I could have gotten it so two tiers of DW gave me the same TP/hit. Look at the post above it too. I had to hunt through CDF's blog to get the formula I used for Spirits. Logging out every time I want to do math on something would just be a pain. Still, I got it working with windower and my mouse was fine. It just took some playing around.

Sprint provided the real post with citation. Sorry to double-link you.

[Clash Perez]

Test server can be windowed, but you can't get the faux-full-screen that Windower provides. I don't really care for FFXI in windowed mode.

Personally, it's the game's macro system that is the kicker for me. I'll quit before I have to use six line macros for everything I do. It's ridiculously tedious and inefficient.

[Aver]

Test server can be windowed, but you can't get the faux-full-screen that Windower provides. I don't really care for FFXI in windowed mode.

Personally, it's the game's macro system that is the kicker for me. I'll quit before I have to use six line macros for everything I do. It's ridiculously tedious and inefficient.

Fucking this.

[RyaWHM]

As far as parsing, you can do some with Logger (does that work on the test server?)

If you are smart with Notepad++/equivalent and Calc/Excel, you can move things around and make them very easy to sort/analyze/average/etc.

I have never been able to get a parser to work but have done many many testings just by using Logger (and people prolly thought I was using a parser?)

It's not perfect and takes a little time, but still a very decent alternative! :D

[Eldelphia]

You probably know this but you can use the included config tool for the test server to run SE client in a windowed mode. Obviously no windower link-in.

[Karbuncle]

@Karb, if it's something like Dual Wield, I like to be able to do things like calculate my TP/hit with different amounts of dual wield with certain combined delay before I pick weapons so that I know if my test is going to tell me anything. Look at this, for instance. If I'd chosen the wrong delay value, I could have gotten it so two tiers of DW gave me the same TP/hit. Look at the post above it too. I had to hunt through CDF's blog to get the formula I used for Spirits. Logging out every time I want to do math on something would just be a pain. Still, I got it working with windower and my mouse was fine. It just took some playing around.

All of this has to be done in the Test Server? or is it just more convenient there. Either way i really don't mind at all about windower, Just weighing the benefits. Which seem rather high.

Kinda double edged sword for me though, I live fine using my In-game macros even on jobs like RDM, its less efficient than Scripts but I've adapted too it. moving to Windower might make my life easier, But if something like this happens, I'd like to not be so crippled i can't even play because I'm so used to the convenience of windower.

please note, This is not windower bashing , its just me babbling on, and i very much see your points byrth.

[Spira]

Here's the info on upgrading relic / mythic / emp from 90 to 95:

Empyreans:
- 1500x plates of heavy metal

Runics:
- 3x Boss from Salvage

Relics:
- 10 x Animated <weapon> from Dynamis-Xarca

I think this is their way of compensating for the relative ease of creating Empyreans compared to relics, then mythics.

It would probably make sense if they ideally want to have all 3 legendary sets be of equivalent difficulty by lv99.
..in which case Mythics will get progressively much easier (like what it appears to be) and so will relics..
I eventually see killing PW as a possible trial for Mythic as well (its like one of the pinnacles of ToAU content)

Hopefully the strength of the 3 legendary sets will be comparable at 99. Some will no doubt win others in effectiveness but it should be a varied mix amongst all 3 sets.

...but difficulty wise, no matter how you look at it.. someone pursuing an Empyrean weapon will have access to the weapon much earlier on (in terms of effort) and can start to make use of it to help them in what they do. Mythics don't have that even for a Lv75 (empty Mythic doesnt really count, they suck and you don't exactly spend much time in that stage).. Relics can kinda fall back on Stage 4s in a way, but also require less overall effort than a Mythic anywayz

[Byrthnoth]

All of this has to be done in the Test Server? or is it just more convenient there. Either way i really don't mind at all about windower, Just weighing the benefits. Which seem rather high.

Kinda double edged sword for me though, I live fine using my In-game macros even on jobs like RDM, its less efficient than Scripts but I've adapted too it. moving to Windower might make my life easier, But if something like this happens, I'd like to not be so crippled i can't even play because I'm so used to the convenience of windower.

please note, This is not windower bashing , its just me babbling on, and i very much see your points byrth.

Unless I want to level and delevel jobs a lot, the Test Server is the best way to test trait tiers. Similarly, for something like Masamune's character stat spreadsheet, the Test Server is a godsend.

It's just that I'm building a mythic. Windower and KParser will doubtlessly be 100% functional with the Test Server in a week or two, so I can either farm currency and stuff now and do testing when I can be more efficient or the opposite.

[Sho]

None of the tricks to get Windower to run on the test server are working for me >< Do I need to be running the alpha version? I tried everything listed in this thread, but none of it worked for me... I can't post on the Windower forums, for whatever reason I've never been able to make an account there.

All I'm doing is opening my mule's POL and leaving it on the POL screen, then opening my main and the test server shows up. Not sure if this matters or not, but I also have Windower v4 loaded onto my laptop as well, but never used it.

This is kidding right?

If this is true then Se being utterly unreasonable... i am guessing runics = mythic? That's like 3 hr work...3 boss of salvage...and if i am not mistaken 10 animated weapons from xarca probably won't take that long... but 1500 plates? urgh...Unless each mob drops x10 which I doubt (and even if so, 150 of the same NMs?) , who really is interested to do for +3 stat and some dmg...

Yes before someone flames me, I am aware how hard mythic is (helping 2 friends getting it, so I do know the pain..), but if all they want is 3 bosses, might as well not set any requisite..

All the suffering I've done for mythic, I'm happy this has happened (even though I have two emps as well).

[Churchill]

As long as I can profit off of others stupidity I don't mind what system they use, and it sounds like since they chose an item that blankets all Emps obtaining said item from say, VW, now seems a little less tedious if it's always in your chest and can be sold. (Similar to say, Alex)

If it can't be sold, then lol brb dropping my emps

[Chun Liroy]

Literally bought a white tath for 2.5M, then read .dat mining and saw 3 sTP ammo ~.~