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[Washburn]

Ya it sucks and is a major challenging for sure. I'm really hoping this is for the HQ version...

That actually makes a lot of sense. I bet the tier 2 trail is the 20 ADL kills. Dynamis - Xarc would be a bitchfest trying to get the NM's and such just to pop the damn thing. There'd be so many people in there at once, it would be rediculous.

[Appie]

99 NQ Relic trials are:
20 Shadow Marrow for Relic Weapons
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythic Weapons
60 Riftdross/cinder for Empyrean Weapons

The trials are sequential. Getting this information through a JP connection. As far as I know they didn't bother updating the NA client with them.


10 PWs, 3 trophies for 75, and 3 NMs for the 90 trial = 33 RL days worth of zeni at 100 points per plate.

Yea.... not renewing.

"The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them."

And lolz were had at SE HQ.

[coder]

are there any actual screenshots confirming umbral merrow dropping from ADL?

I've done 4 kills seen 4 drop.

[Greatguardian]

That actually makes a lot of sense. I bet the tier 2 trail is the 20 ADL kills. Dynamis - Xarc would be a bitchfest trying to get the NM's and such just to pop the damn thing. There'd be so many people in there at once, it would be rediculous.

Byrth pretty specifically said they were the NQ trials. They're just not added at all in the NA version.

They also do not stack with the requirements of the HQ trials if I'm understanding correctly.

[detlef]

Bleh!

The relic upgrade strikes me as the only one that is extremely unreasonable. The mythic upgrade, at least you can have different people lotting T3 and T4 trophies and you can do multiple PW pops at a time. That makes it only highly unreasonable in my book.

Empy upgrade is unreasonable.

[Colenzo]

I've done 4 kills seen 4 drop.

how many kills can you do in a run? like 1? or how many?

[Alkimi]

Normally one unless you get lucky with Wild Cards. With a good setup you probably have a 75% chance of killing it anyway, if you pick the wrong clone twice you're probably screwed.

[Jem]

how many kills can you do in a run? like 1? or how many?

You're going to be limited by amount of PD's available plus the minimum amount of people you want to chance it with basically. Obviously the more you skimp on DD's, the more chance you have of being fucked in the ass by picking the wrong clone.

I can't even remember if we used CSS or not since we don't even bother with the thing anymore. Seems to be complete apathy towards ADL and Dynamis in general in our LS.

[Colenzo]

hmmmph at least a month of doing ADL for one relic? dont mind if I dont

[Jem]

Well any LS capable of chain clearing ADL's is probably going to acquire new relics at a faster rate than they can knock out 99's. I think we've seen 8 new relics in our LS in the last 6-8 weeks. Granted I don't expect us to continue at even half that rate (we seemed to get a lot of people starting/ending at the same time) but I wouldn't be surprised if we were getting a new relic once every 3-4 weeks.

[Colenzo]

yeah, which makes no fucking sense what so ever

[Darkmagi]

If there is enough bitching, they will hopefully revise the ADL trial into something slightly more reasonable.

[Jem]

Well another way of looking at it is this. If you get 1 item from the pre-pop NM's every 2 pops plus 400-500 currency per run (which isn't unfeasible given that ADL + TE's + NM's will take maybe 45 mins and you'll have 10+ people); that's 8000-10000 currency plus ~31m (Asura prices) gil in 20 runs.

Or approximately 80-93% of the way through a new relic. And that's probably undershooting the amount of currency you get per run.

[Colenzo]

Well another way of looking at it is this. If you get 1 item from the pre-pop NM's every 2 pops plus 400-500 currency per run (which isn't unfeasible given that ADL + TE's + NM's will take maybe 45 mins and you'll have 10+ people); that's 8000-10000 currency plus ~31m (Asura prices) gil in 20 runs.

Or approximately 80-93% of the way through a new relic. And that's probably undershooting the amount of currency you get per run.

This is really really really optimistic lol doubt you'd be making that much unless xarc just started ejaculating 100 coins for every NM you killed. Screw this shit, this is stupid for them to even say that normal people with relics can get their stuff to 99.

[Jem]

I don't think it's that optimistic given how many people you'd have. It's not like you'd all kill in a group, you'd split up.

We got 977 currency in Tav with 11 people and no hundreds. So 400-500 in Xarc in 75 minutes instead of 120 minutes doesn't seem that unreasonable really. Xarc is a shitter drop rate but you'd also have more people. Unless you just couldn't find that many decent camps.

EDIT: That wasn't specifically aiming for currency either.

[Colenzo]

You're talking about a dreamlands zone vs a zilart zone though, drop rates are fucking atrocious in zilart dynamis. At any rate, taking a large group of people to go work on 2 people's things for a month at a time and expecting people to do the same thing for several months on end just to work on everybody's relic is psychotic at the least. >_>

Assuming lots of people have relics in your shell, and by that method you're speaking, you're going to have people that are just going to lose interest or not even be interested in the least if you keep perpetuating relics everywhere. They better start putting hookers and blackjack in dyna-xarc if they want to keep people interested.

[Sho]

FF is rapidly going away from fun and feeling like an unpaid chore...

Comment was also relevant 4 years ago. We still played it like it was nothing.

[Atoreis]

97/60

[Greatguardian]

Just confirmed these numbers on the OF. Camate did mention that the amount of Zeni you can get from plates will be increased to coincide with these trials. Yay? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post268004

[Slycer]

97/60

You mean 97/3060 amirite??