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[Colenzo]

Still, at least a week per trial isn't that bad compared to at least a month per trial. People still have the option of shouting for their ADLs and letting people lot on the other random crap that drops. This small amount of kills should get people motivated enough to try pickups at least.

Again, 5 kills for some of the best weapons in the game. Its not like people will be seeing their weapons replaced by something else. Unless I'm totally deluded in my thinking that some of the weapons are worth doing ADL 5 times for.

[Nightfyre]

It would be more accurate to state that it's at least 180 man-hours per weapon, more if you fail any kills. That is by no means an insignificant investment, especially considering how profitable time spent in Dynamis can be.

[Appie]

SE will have to come up with something better than just lower the amount of this retarded item to get my money again. One NM that drops it, 2 hours in one zone per day, need 18 people, as added bonus only one ??? to pop it and absolute junk in other drops. They seriously see nothing wrong with this? Didn't the last vanadiel census have 7k relics made total? Sure, some quit, but lots new ones were made in "easy dyna". Congestion fuckin overload and hyperinflation for the rare few who want to make the glow version.

[Damane]

So I got banned from the official forums for the first time! Apearantly you can say "Fucking fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck" and nothing happens

but you open a topic where you say "The Dev team is incompetent" you get banned

lol

[IronPandemonium]

So I got banned from the official forums for the first time! Apearantly you can say "Fucking fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck" and nothing happens

but you open a topic where you say "The Dev team is incompetent" you get banned

lol

i got my posts deleted for poking fun at gimpchan earlier, so i wouldn't be surprised tbh

[NynJa]

It would be more accurate to state that it's at least 180 man-hours per weapon, more if you fail any kills. That is by no means an insignificant investment, especially considering how profitable time spent in Dynamis can be.

I think i allready broke down the manhours per upgrade item, but ill do it again, maybe pll can check it over.
Marrow: realistically, with needing PD to kill adl, you can do one per run. For best chance of success, you should bring 18, so if youre wrong on the first set of clones, you can try a second. So 36 manhours per adl attempt. With a 75% kill rate factoring in the luck factor, youre looking at about 7 adl attempts for 5 marrows. 36x7 is 252 man hours per relic 99, with marginal gains to those just helping. Everything must be coordinated with the schedule of 18 others.

MS: Requires approx 7 gamedays of zeni turnin at proposed 10x value. The picture taking should take 30 min for each days worth of pictures..maybe, been a while. The legwork can be 2boxd up to the tier 4s...and maybe the t4s as well. Presume 2 hours per t1-t2-t3 kill factoring in running time (im being generous) and 30 min for the T4, so 7 manhours per t4 x3 is 21 hours per pw set. Theres some complications since you can turn in pictures while getting new pop items...sooooo 21 hours per pw set of nms, 2 hours of picture taking, 30x18 minutes to kill pw.

I think i fucked that one up lol

[Byrthnoth]

I don't think so. With the Zeni shortage gone, the PW fights should be easy. We will probably have to buy at non-floored prices, though.

[NynJa]

Do you consider 1 hour of 2boxing 1 manhour or 2?
Its not really relevant for ADL, but it comes into play if youre 2boxing znms for pw

[noodles355]

Still thinking Adding Umbral Marrow to all "Arch" Bosses would sate almost any and all complaints.

Have you fought any of the city arch bosses recently? You could easily finish 1-2 relics in one city dynamis session if they did that.

[Damane]

Have you fought any of the city arch bosses recently? You could easily finish 1-2 relics in one city dynamis session if they did that.

which imho wouldnt be so bad considering how many relics there are around and how old the relics are.

[NynJa]

With how many people though? farming 5 of each odius item, killing 5+ timed NMs (not 100% drop), killing each pop nm 5x, and the nq boss 5x just to pop arch boss 5x (based on non-jeuno cities) seems like it would take longer than 2h with a pt of 6

MS: Requires approx 7 gamedays of zeni turnin at proposed 10x value. The picture taking should take 30 min for each days worth of pictures..maybe, been a while. The legwork can be 2boxd up to the tier 4s...and maybe the t4s as well. Presume 2 hours per t1-t2-t3 kill factoring in running time (im being generous) and 30 min for the T4, so 7 manhours per t4 x3 is 21 hours per pw set. Theres some complications since you can turn in pictures while getting new pop items...sooooo 21 hours per pw set of nms, 2 hours of picture taking, 30x18 minutes to kill pw.

Since Byrth seems to agree with my previous timeline on PW pop, total manhours required for 3 PW kills:
30min*18*3 to kill all 3 PW's = 27 manhours
7 manhours per t4 set * 3 sets * 3 PW pop items = 63 manhours
add in 2 hours of picture taking (I dont remember when I mentally calculated it if this was for 1 PW set or 3...lets presume 1) x3 = 6 manhours

96 manhours to farm from 0 to 3 PW kills, with only 27 manhours requiring scheduling corrdination vs 252 manhours for 5 ADL kills requiring full scheduling coordination throughout.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, but it takes a little more time and scheduling to buy 30k Alexandrite and do 100 assaults, 100k Amps, 150k Tokens, etc. than it does to get an attestation and fragment. So Mythics definitely got the easiest trial here, but they still win for hardest overall. I mean, you want to talk entrance-time cock-block? Try to spam Einherjar for 100k Ampuoles.

[Atoreis]

With how many people though? farming 5 of each odius item, killing 5+ timed NMs (not 100% drop), killing each pop nm 5x, and the nq boss 5x just to pop arch boss 5x (based on non-jeuno cities) seems like it would take longer than 2h with a pt of 6

MS: Requires approx 7 gamedays of zeni turnin at proposed 10x value. The picture taking should take 30 min for each days worth of pictures..maybe, been a while. The legwork can be 2boxd up to the tier 4s...and maybe the t4s as well. Presume 2 hours per t1-t2-t3 kill factoring in running time (im being generous) and 30 min for the T4, so 7 manhours per t4 x3 is 21 hours per pw set. Theres some complications since you can turn in pictures while getting new pop items...sooooo 21 hours per pw set of nms, 2 hours of picture taking, 30x18 minutes to kill pw.

Since Byrth seems to agree with my previous timeline on PW pop, total manhours required for 3 PW kills:
30min*18*3 to kill all 3 PW's = 27 manhours
7 manhours per t4 set * 3 sets * 3 PW pop items = 63 manhours
add in 2 hours of picture taking (I dont remember when I mentally calculated it if this was for 1 PW set or 3...lets presume 1) x3 = 6 manhours

96 manhours to farm from 0 to 3 PW kills, with only 27 manhours requiring scheduling corrdination vs 252 manhours for 5 ADL kills requiring full scheduling coordination throughout.

Like byrth said (but you probably wasnt reading like always) those trials for 99 dont suppose to be exactly equal. Relic is by far the easiest to make to 95.

EDIT: hehe I was a little slow XD

[Karbuncle]

Have you fought any of the city arch bosses recently? You could easily finish 1-2 relics in one city dynamis session if they did that.

How is that bad though :X?

It'd still take some time and effort.

I really don't care what they do, I just don't look forward to fighting something thats pretty much a Coin toss.

[Atoreis]

How is that bad though :X?

It'd still take some time and effort.

I really don't care what they do, I just don't look forward to fighting something thats pretty much a Coin toss.

Its probably less of the coin toss with 18 actually. Not to mention now when we need to do it someone can actually come up with better strategy.

[NynJa]

Yeah, but it takes a little more time and scheduling to buy 30k Alexandrite and do 100 assaults, 100k Amps, 150k Tokens, etc. than it does to get an attestation and fragment. So Mythics definitely got the easiest trial here, but they still win for hardest overall. I mean, you want to talk entrance-time cock-block? Try to spam Einherjar for 100k Ampuoles.

And I have no problem with that at all...though I still dont see how anyone can not have ein ampoules unless they never did einherjar? I'm on the boat atm to nash to see how many amps I have on Nyn and Kehhiko (a really green mule who was used for odin popsets). Redoing the assaults is a hassle, and the tokens was always dumb since they directly interfere with each other. It was a poorly set system from the get go.

[Byrthnoth]

Tokens is about to get a lot more dumb. Temps are really useful in Neo-NI, and the floor climbs reward shit points.

I did minimal Einherjar on my current character, but I logged 26 Odins on my other. Now I'm up to 38k Ampuoles. Finished Alexandrite in late October/early November.

[NynJa]

Nynja has 291k ampoules, and I've purchased a couple items....Kehhiko doesnt have much lol, 40k

[Karbuncle]

Its probably less of the coin toss with 18 actually. Not to mention now when we need to do it someone can actually come up with better strategy.

Even with 18 Its still a coin toss, If you kill the wrong One, the right one splits into two as well. So you still gotta guess right >_<

Coming up with a workable strategy would be lovely, Maybe theres some way to distinguish them we're just not knowing yet.

[NynJa]

Not to sound like a negative nancy, how much of a workable strat can there be on a luck based fight? pop PD and maximize DPS to kill as many clones as possible and hope you get the real one early.