Test Server Findings

**jimbobsonofgod** · 2012-01-31 23:52

Ogre+Flan drop HMP
still took about 60 tries for me to get Athos's Tabard (which was infinitely more faster then any other body I got but still)

**ronin sparthos** · 2012-01-31 23:53

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Honestly he isn't too far off the mark.

Doing Ig-Alima/Rex you'll see a fair spread of Ogier/Athos' bodies whereas in the previous installment of top-tier VW the rates on everything was awful. Gaunab/Kamasutra/Ocythoe rates aren't complete garbage on the rares either meaning people cap out and move on from the mob meaning less Dross/Cinder goes up for sale.

Try as SE might to pretend the rates of drops are the same, it's absolute bullshit. The only thing approaching the same is the rate of glowing weapons/armor which are universally set to shit.

The real problem is that Ig-Alima/Rex are no Uptala/Qilin/Pil. Failure to proc fast results in a rapefest, middle-of-the-road groups aren't zooming through these and there is no chance to stumble through to a win so you're either destroying or getting destroyed. If Rex kills people you aren't holding it in a PUG like you could with shit like Uptala/Kaggen.

Lastly on Umbral Marrow? They could have limited drops to CoP/Northland Arch bosses (to avoid easyfarming shit like Arch Overlord Tombstone) or modified the trial for a 'kill all arch bosses' alternative to gathering up ADL drops. No one is going to be farming that mob, Sagasinger rate seems to be utter shit and PUGs would be wiping that thing like there's no tomorrow.

**Churchill** · 2012-02-01 00:11

Like I said, and I know Lakshmi isn't the only server like this, but there aren't many linkshells that can even achieve a 75% win rate against ADL, and those that can/come close likely have quite a few relics to get through. These items will not be for sale lol.

**Prothescar** · 2012-02-01 00:30

Considering how even at 99 there's a major luck factor involved with the fight, I'd say most LSs are looking at that sort of win ratio.

**Darkmagi** · 2012-02-01 00:45

How does EA/Scherzo fair against ADL? Would it be possible to kill with EA/scherzo and good players? (no PD)
Or even something crazy like a petburn?lol.. Just throwing out ideas that may not have been tried.

**Prothescar** · 2012-02-01 00:54

I doubt it due to the volume of TP moves used. EA/Scherzo wouldn't mean shit with 2-4 Oblivion Smashes or whatever else all going off at once.

**Darkmagi** · 2012-02-01 00:55

/nin blocks oblivion smash, and it's conal. Shouldn't lose that many DDs at once if you are smart about it.

**Prothescar** · 2012-02-01 00:56

Almost certain that Oblivion Smash is radial, may be wrong though.

**Darkmagi** · 2012-02-01 01:00

Had that mixed up with terra slash(The en-death one). Yeah oblivion is radial. 2-4 90% reduced slashes shouldn't be life threatening if you can keep EA/scherzo up though.

**Helel** · 2012-02-01 02:58

Was just watching some youtube videos of ADL and it looks like oblivion smash only does around 600ish. When he pops all the clones, they all use it immediately and then everyone dies. EA/scherzo wouldn't work against that but ochain plds + ranged damage would work pretty well I would think? Should have no trouble stunning his tp moves; it's not like he spams them.

Seems like the fight is fairly easy until he splits. Couple BLUs could hold the adds perhaps with full PDT and defense; not sure if sudden lunge sticks.

Edit: Might be possible to run away from oblivion smash actually. The summoning animation takes forever. Can let the PLD eat it and then run back in.

**macross** · 2012-02-01 03:26

They say flan/ogre don't have upped drops but whatevers. They both drop fucktons of spells too. Heck we got 4 athos body in 4 kills before. Can argue you can spam VW whenever you want, but realisticaly you are gonna run out of stones. Can always buy em off the AH sure but that's just throwing away gil for logs most of the time. 60 dross/cinder would be fine, if the fucking thing dropped one every time you killed it, but it doesn't. I'm thinking we avg 1 dross/cinder every 4 kills, our luck is just that shitty. I sit and shout in jeuno for long periods of time, no one sells them. Bard in ls is almost done though, she was buying cinder when they were cheap. Least harp gives you 4 songs.

We're 6/6 on ADL since lvl 99, think we might try 2 in one day next time, been pretty easy these last 6. Our last one was 1 adl, 2 copies. Guess I can attach a parse, he's got about 100k hps. Problem is he can do super long ass aoe terror too, at which point you are pretty much fucked. We've never beat it past 2 copies, usualy he will have like 4-5 version of himself at that point.

Why does ukko/blood rage need a nerf again???

**Jem** · 2012-02-01 03:33

That terror is pretty much what fucked us on our first 90 attempt. It lasted something ridiculous like a minute so the majority of the ally were dead before it wore. Even so I think we killed 1 and had a clone at 1% before wiping. Getting the wins at 99 shouldn't be a major issue though due to vastly increased damage although PUG's may struggle. I wouldn't like to try without PD though.

And is it just me or has SE deleted the thread with the dev posts and the mass complaints?

**Deader2818** · 2012-02-01 03:39

Nah they did delete then, and then deleted a thread asking why it was deleted, lol.

**NynJa** · 2012-02-01 03:42

Well if theyre going to get butthurt when we state rightful dismay over the garbage trial...perhaps we could coax them into making killing ADL slightly more accessible (12+ people requirement / dependance on Perfect Defense / Clone luck garbage) on a per run basis?

**Tachi** · 2012-02-01 03:49

Originally Posted by Helel

Was just watching some youtube videos of ADL and it looks like oblivion smash only does around 600ish.

ADL has 2 Oblivion Smash attacks, one does 600-900 damage while the other where it jumps into the air is 1100-1600 damage + many debuffs. The same thing goes for Tera Slash, only the one with a jump animation does Death.

**Prothescar** · 2012-02-01 03:50

Originally Posted by NynJa

Well if theyre going to get butthurt when we state rightful dismay over the garbage trial...perhaps we could coax them into making killing ADL slightly more accessible (12+ people requirement / dependance on Perfect Defense / Clone luck garbage) on a per run basis?

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/o...arduo/nope.png

**Damane** · 2012-02-01 04:09

Originally Posted by ronin sparthos

Honestly he isn't too far off the mark.

Doing Ig-Alima/Rex you'll see a fair spread of Ogier/Athos' bodies whereas in the previous installment of top-tier VW the rates on everything was awful. Gaunab/Kamasutra/Ocythoe rates aren't complete garbage on the rares either meaning people cap out and move on from the mob meaning less Dross/Cinder goes up for sale.

Try as SE might to pretend the rates of drops are the same, it's absolute bullshit. The only thing approaching the same is the rate of glowing weapons/armor which are universally set to shit.

The real problem is that Ig-Alima/Rex are no Uptala/Qilin/Pil. Failure to proc fast results in a rapefest, middle-of-the-road groups aren't zooming through these and there is no chance to stumble through to a win so you're either destroying or getting destroyed. If Rex kills people you aren't holding it in a PUG like you could with shit like Uptala/Kaggen.

Lastly on Umbral Marrow? They could have limited drops to CoP/Northland Arch bosses (to avoid easyfarming shit like Arch Overlord Tombstone) or modified the trial for a 'kill all arch bosses' alternative to gathering up ADL drops. No one is going to be farming that mob, Sagasinger rate seems to be utter shit and PUGs would be wiping that thing like there's no tomorrow.

The mobs AoE Power is getting adjusted with the next version update, so this might not be true then. It might allow PUGs to easy farm Ig and Botulus Rex.

**NynJa** · 2012-02-01 04:10

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**Karbuncle** · 2012-02-01 04:12

I want Asteria and Borealis, So i'll be farming them for quite some time :X.

Plus I don't own a single Voidwatch Body, So its highly unlikely i'll get Athos Tabard within the first 200 kills.

So i'll have an ample supply of Riftdrosscinder for anyone >_>!

**jimbobsonofgod** · 2012-02-01 04:19

Originally Posted by macross

They say flan/ogre don't have upped drops but whatevers.

I don't think square counts the bodies for ogre/rex as much as they do the HQ GS/Dagger which seems like its on par with ziliart drops.
and does rex really drop a club, never seen the fucking thing but wiki has it listed ?

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