Test Server Findings

[Alkimi]

I've tried in vain to pull one of the extra clones off the main DD parties but he just wasn't interested. Assuming they have shared hate.

[Helel]

Roger that. That makes the BLU reaving wind strategy viable then since the BLUs don't have to worry about pulling the adds off the PLD. The current target will still be able to use tp moves (assuming you're hitting it and dealing damage to it), but it should prevent the clones from using tp moves? Or do they always mimic the tp moves and use them at the same time?

Or we could just do 18 BLUs whirl of rage > reaving wind over and over until all the clones die.

[NynJa]

Roger that. That makes the BLU reaving wind strategy viable then since the BLUs don't have to worry about pulling the adds off the PLD. The current target will still be able to use tp moves (assuming you're hitting it and dealing damage to it), but it should prevent the clones from using tp moves? Or do they always mimic the tp moves and use them at the same time?

Or we could just do 18 BLUs whirl of rage > reaving wind over and over until all the clones die.

Whirl of rage: 72 mp 30 sec recast
Reaving Wind: 84 mp, 90 sec recast


how long do you think that will last?

[dasva]

Whirl of rage: 72 mp 30 sec recast
Reaving Wind: 84 mp, 90 sec recast


how long do you think that will last?

With 18 blus? Pretty much forever assuming they have some refresh gear. Also shouldn't need to spam it. Reaving wind takes 100 tp. Also since you have so many blus might be better to use the magical blu stun

[Helel]

Whirl of rage: 72 mp 30 sec recast
Reaving Wind: 84 mp, 90 sec recast


how long do you think that will last?

It was joke, and even if you were to use that strategy, you would obviously have a reaving wind rotation. The actual recast time would be ~45s if you have -50% recast (which is not hard with empyrean hands). 45/18 = 2.5 seconds per reaving wind. I think it would last infinitely long, unless ADL can manage to get over 100 tp in 2.5 seconds.

On a smaller scale, say 6 BLUs, you've got a reaving wind every 7.5 seconds or so. Seems like a possible strat to me.

Edit: oh are you suggesting that the BLUs will run out of mp? Well just throw some brds in there or whatever. I'm not actually suggesting to use 18 BLUs; was just an example. You'd still want a PLD probably and healers etc.

[NynJa]

can reaving wind be resisted btw?

[Atoreis]

can reaving wind be resisted btw?

Sure lol

Its one of several spells because of which you want your BLU to be capped on skills and have macc set to stagger at VW

[NynJa]

so even a reaving wind rotation probably wouldnt even work >.>

[dasva]

I also haven't seen solid testing on tp taken from nms. And it seems (disclaimer eyeballing) to not take 100 from most nms I've tried it on. Other tp stealing moves have had pretty much no effect as far as I could tell on alot of nms even though they landed.

Absorb tp might be better idea along that line. Not sure how well taht works but at least you know how much you took

[Prothescar]

I rarely have issues landing Reaving Wind unless the monster is naturally resistant to wind...

As far as how it performs on NMs, it's either 50 or 75 TP rather than 100. I don't have conclusive evidence to suggest either as being concrete.

[Atoreis]

NIN WHM RDM BRD and 14xMNK is obvious solution. Chi blast spam for no TP gain!

[Zag]

NIN WHM RDM BRD and 14xMNK is obvious solution. Chi blast spam for no TP gain!

well, judging by the name, you are just joking or whooshing. But for everyone else, Chi blast doesn't stop TP gain. I use penance all the time and still get spammed by NMs TP moves all the time. Its just a strong subtle blow effect. (penance). Its a peice of shit if you ask me but it helps a little bit so I can't complain.

[dasva]

Well if we are using mnks should be using drive by chi blast kiting strat of old.

Or just get 18 bst and have them cycle thru jetterera from their pets and feral howl!!!

[Atoreis]

well, judging by the name, you are just joking or whooshing. But for everyone else, Chi blast doesn't stop TP gain. I use penance all the time and still get spammed by NMs TP moves all the time. Its just a strong subtle blow effect. (penance). Its a peice of shit if you ask me but it helps a little bit so I can't complain.

It was a joke but you didnt catch it actually.
Chi blast itself do dmg and gives no TP.
You can probably push chi blast to 2k dmg after full boost now but ofc its not a realistic strategy.

[Helel]

I doubt he'd resist reaving wind. I've only ever seen reaving wind resisted on mobs that either absorb wind, or completely resist anything air-based. Even if it's resisted for 50 tp instead of 100, it should still prevent the clones from using tp moves.

[Zag]

It was a joke but you didnt catch it actually.
Chi blast itself do dmg and gives no TP.
You can probably push chi blast to 2k dmg after full boost now but ofc its not a realistic strategy.

I knew you were joking but I didn't get the joke, my bad. I thought you were referring to penance since they mentioned reaving wind earlier. I rather get a 2nd job and buy gil then waste time with VW drops. I never brought gil before but im sure it cheap as hell now. 1 paycheck week saves 2 months farming gil for level 95 empyrean.

I see your riftdross sig. If you turn in the 50 riftdross for the NQ level 99, does the weapon can stuck at that NQ forever? Or can you go back when you get the 2950 other riftdross and upgrade to the HQ version? Thats like 60 times the work for a glowy effect to help other ppl lol. Could have goten 60 other empyreans to level 99. I will never get over that quest, people are greedy cause SE instigates it lol.

[Atoreis]

I knew you were joking but I didn't get the joke, my bad. I thought you were referring to penance since they mentioned reaving wind earlier. I rather get a 2nd job and buy gil then waste time with VW drops. I never brought gil before but im sure it cheap as hell now. 1 paycheck week saves 2 months farming gil for level 95 empyrean.

I see your riftdross sig. If you turn in the 50 riftdross for the NQ level 99, does the weapon can stuck at that NQ forever? Or can you go back when you get the 2950 other riftdross and upgrade to the HQ version? Thats like 60 times the work for a glowy effect to help other ppl lol. Could have goten 60 other empyreans to level 99. I will never get over that quest, people are greedy cause SE instigates it lol.

Its 60 Riftdrosses not 50.
Im not gonna even try to check it. I will do NQ and sell those 37drosses or I will try to trade them for cinders (Havent decided yet what to make).

[Strawhat]

I knew you were joking but I didn't get the joke, my bad. I thought you were referring to penance since they mentioned reaving wind earlier. I rather get a 2nd job and buy gil then waste time with VW drops. I never brought gil before but im sure it cheap as hell now. 1 paycheck week saves 2 months farming gil for level 95 empyrean.

you really believe you can get 95 empy by throwing money at it like people do with relics O.o? lol
if not doing your own VW, you'll be checking bazaars for 6 months

[Yugl]

you really believe you can get 95 empy by throwing money at it like people do with relics O.o? lol
if not doing your own VW, you'll be checking bazaars for 6 months

Go to VW hotspots and throw money there. All that changes is where you focus your search.

[Strawhat]

i've been to hospots, JP don't even reply -.-, NA are lazy
do you ever notice anyone with 95 empy? from all your random checks? do you believe people are "poor" after Abyssea and Dynamis boom?
i myself find supply for plates to be seriously lacking

Even if you pay double, or triple of the common price, you'll still be waiting at least a month to complete