Test Server Findings

[Purrloin]

It's obvious... heavy metal plates = iron plate scraps.

[Foldypaws]

wait...does this push mythic staff to the top? only 1 inventory space too...

What? It's not any better at nuking than it was before. It got more damage and OA3, no extra MAB. Magian staves went up to +6 affinity. (though they lost their +1 to MAcc)

[Arthars]

1 feasible solution is to keep as many plates...dont upgrade them....let those noobs in SE forum moan and complain, and then they become 500 plates...and turn in to upgrade all ^^

i swear to god killing 2000 mobs with my relics still hurt me till now, and then they reduce the numbers just as i finished the killing part -_-

[Arthars]

What? It's not any better at nuking than it was before. It got more damage and OA3, no extra MAB. Magian staves went up to +6 affinity. (though they lost their +1 to MAcc)

idk thats why im asking XD i havent been too much into mage staff/nuking since abyssea, im still a HQ staff person

[ccf]

1 feasible solution is to keep as many plates...dont upgrade them....let those noobs in SE forum moan and complain, and then they become 500 plates...and turn in to upgrade all ^^

i swear to god killing 2000 mobs with my relics still hurt me till now, and then they reduce the numbers just as i finished the killing part -_-

This is likely if 1500 plates are really tough to obtain. I mean they have change a lot for new update stuff based on what ppl are moaning in test server.

E.g Bully, temper, drg new stoneskin ability, blu spells, sch 2hr spells, recast for brd abilities.

Whether SE likes it or not, it's too late to rescale the balance, relic/mythic all require long term dedication to start with and that's never been the same for emph, trying to make it so won't really work.

(Not to mention most relic holders have 1 to do, and a lot more emph holders are multiple holders of emphs.)

I sense at least a 5x reduction to 10 x reduction, 150 to 300 is more along the lines to how they reduce relics/mythics initial stages rather than pushing for such a high number for a meh reward.

[Sylvrdragon]

wait...does this push mythic staff to the top? only 1 inventory space too...

No, the 50 MAB and M.ACC and all that junk is only with ES up; same as before. It's still garbage.

[Foldypaws]

No, the 50 MAB and M.ACC and all that junk is only with ES up; same as before. It's still garbage.

No, the 50 MAB is all the time. It's still not better than Magian's though.

[dasva]

No, the 50 MAB is all the time. It's still not better than Magian's though.

Depending on what else you have it might still not be as good as the magians even with elemental seal up lol

[Foldypaws]

Depending on what else you have it might still not be as good as the magians even with elemental seal up lol

Mmm, pretty sure it is, if the 10% damage boost is correct.

Outside, BLM has 60 MAB in gear (ignoring sorc ring and moon phase) 36 in traits. So 1.96*1.3 = 2.548 normal damage. Leva is 110 in gear, still 36 in traits, for 2.46 normal damage, *1.1 with Elemental Seal = 2.706x normal damage, beating a Magian staff.

Inside, BLM has 80 more MAB for ice, or 50 more MAB for thunder. and 30 or 60% affinity. Ice is 4.416 normal damage for Magian, Leva is 4.238 w/o seal, 4.6618 with.

Thunder is 4.674 normal damage Magian, 4.736 Leva, so it wins even without ES.

@ 95 with 4 more MAB and magians getting +.05%, Leva is comparatively worse, but it still always wins with ES up.

(Thunder ends up being 4.875 inside for Magian and Leva only goes up to 4.8, so @ 95 it's losing all the time with ES down)

[dasva]

How in the world did you figure thunder higher than ice? Going beyond ultimate MM for ice then switching to ultimate blinding horn lion is the only way I can get those numbers

Assuming beyond, ultimate and MM thunder should be 3.588 vs 3.26 w/o and 3.586 with ES.

[Raelia]

So multihit weapons got the shaft this round. 95 multihit scythe gets -27 delay but same OA4 and same damage, so with gimped TP gain (read: break the 5-hit) it's actually a worse weapon than the lv90.

Where are we supposed to give test server feedback? Official forums?

[dasva]

Ok. To be specific outside you'd need more than 120 MAB for magian to win at 95 with ES up. Which would be about the max achievable without making silly gear choices. Can get a bit more with good augments.

Inside assuming the normal nuking augments I already said same amount of mab for thunder but obviously alot easier to reach. Ice same atmas 225. Probably not likely with those atmas without brewing or getting ascetics gambir

[Atomic Skull]

Agreed.

Relic upgrades still look underwhelming in light of what Mythics just got a boost to. (empyreans were looking forward to Stat+20 yah? only Stat+17, kinda funny).

Mandau Being bumped to D:53 makes me happy, Hopefully D:57 by 99 i suppose. Maybe it'll reclaim its highest-DPS title by then...

And heres hoping relic WS got another boost? IDK.

But that was a nice surprise for Mythics.

2-3 won't make any difference when you still have to save up 300% TP to get it and lvl 3 aftermath doesn't overwrite itself.

[Forte]

The elemental perp staves stay the same when increasing to +3 except that the BP Ability Delay - increases from 10 to 12.

[Atoreis]

2-3 won't make any difference when you still have to save up 300% TP to get it and lvl 3 aftermath doesn't overwrite itself.

I hope you joking lol.

If that is anything close to ridill distribution 30:50:20 then it adds 26% more swings vs 90 version and around 50-80% more then non OAT weapon.

Even taking a job like WAR that has lowest boost from this aftermath because of high DA you are looking at 50% more swings.

In this case Conqueror vs Ukonvasara

TP phase:
30%ODD and 4%more base damage (counting fSTR from +17STR) 4.5% lower delay
vs
~45% more swings

Conqueror wins easily even forgetting giant boost to attack from berserk.

WS:

~3.6 fTP 60%STR Can crit
vs
~5.0 fTP 50%STR at least 1.15 bonus ( 5.75 "fTP" ) and ~40% more WSs

Im not even sure if KJ wont beat Ukko's on avg before even considering ~40% more WSs.

Ofc you need to save TP to 300% but it shouldnt be that hard with good timing and avg 2 swings per round. We also have no idea if they haven't boost KJ even more. Aftermath from mythic is really long too (3min) so it's not really that much of a big deal like you think it is.

[LinkNZ]

Just intimidated Shin with Bully lol.

The elemental perp staves stay the same when increasing to +3 except that the BP Ability Delay - increases from 10 to 12.

So -15 at 99 and no change incoming for that cap any time soon then probably? ;(

[Snprphnx]

Has anyone thought that maybe the plates come from Cruor. I mean, Voidwatch uses Cruor as well as abyssea, and since Voidwatch (and Cruor) will have future uses, I wouldn't be surprised if SE made them aquirable this way. Even at 50k Cruor each, that is a hefty grind to get all 75mil for the 1500 plates, but it still is pretty reasonable since you can form a pt with friends and take turns afking throughout the days. everyone would be gaining their own upgrade items at the same time so you wouldn't be competing for drops.

[Taint]

Has anyone thought that maybe the plates come from Cruor. I mean, Voidwatch uses Cruor as well as abyssea, and since Voidwatch (and Cruor) will have future uses, I wouldn't be surprised if SE made them aquirable this way. Even at 50k Cruor each, that is a hefty grind to get all 75mil for the 1500 plates, but it still is pretty reasonable since you can form a pt with friends and take turns afking throughout the days. everyone would be gaining their own upgrade items at the same time so you wouldn't be competing for drops.

Don't threaten me. That sounds more tedious then the 9500 relic trials.

[Julian]

Just realized my script wasn't checking r/ex flags on normal items, so I updated it <_< heavy metal isn't rare or ex or anything.

[Taint]

I only go PLD (cry), and having already tanked stuff for Chapter 2...there's no real need for me to upgrade anything right away so I'll be waiting to see what happens. Everyone here has a valid point regarding whether they will sell or not, what the price will be, etc. At the end of the day, you have a head start if when the servers come up your linkshell has access to Chapter 2 right then. I know on our server, there are like 3, maybe 4 english speaking shells that do VW, so if items do come from there...unless lolsnd keeps doing shout runs, this content will not be accessible by a majority of the server. If that's the case, and drops do come from VW, that's enough to corner the market right there.

If the people doing the event are upgrading their own weapons and not selling right away, then you're looking at a gap between update launch and anyone actually being able to test; what that gap will be depends on drop rate, so at least for that time I'd say prices would be high if you sold. After data comes out, increased ODD/crit rate/WSDMG+/nothing will help determine who will pay and what they'll pay. I will hopefully be funding my Amano :D

Edit: Two other things sort of related. If you missed it, Hiromichi Tanaka is billed as the FFXI Director again (Old school CoP and from what I understand, was the original Director/producer of FFXI). SE has arguably made some recent moves indicating they intend to continue supporting FFXI, maybe a little moreso than what Abyssea was. (2)SE has always tried to make their unpopular events popular by requiring them for something that is popular, and a 1500 plate "grind" would make perfect sense if Tanaka is indeed running the show again. The mobs themselves certainly lend themselves to this theory. Keeping people busy with 1500 plates, 28 new VWNMs, the potential for additional tiers to be released before 99 and 3 more chapters planned past the 95 update is actually a really interesting move for this game. I know plenty of people, and this board included, who may not miss camping kings/tia/etc 24/7, but certainly miss the "hard" fights. The fights you walk into wondering "who's gonna miss that stun and wipe us" or when you win, each time you win, breath a sigh of relief that you actually won.

Unless they fix the drop system thats a ton of mobs to kill 100x to get a drop. Atleast with Kings you put in your work/kills etc and get the item you worked for. There were a lot more congratulations when something like ebody or ridill. With VW its more like "awe fuck another mule got Radiant mail"