Test Server Findings

**Sho** · 2012-09-09 20:56

Originally Posted by Cymmina

Considering THRID is on just about everything, including spells we can't use (Poisonga V), it seems more likely that it's a flag for monsters. Was this flag not there before?

Originally Posted by Julian

No, it got changed from 255 to 1 on what seems to be everything.

It really doesn't make sense for them to add three values as placeholders and have the last value be a debug. They've never added an extra placeholder slot when jobs were added during ToAU or WoTG.

Third is definitely a new job or that play as a monster "job" or w/e.

**Economizer** · 2012-09-09 23:38

Originally Posted by Sho

They've never added an extra placeholder slot when jobs were added during ToAU or WoTG.

We've never had access to a test server when they were working on adding jobs before either.

**Xilk** · 2012-09-10 08:48

I think the "Play as Monster" theory matches the most.

**Slycer** · 2012-09-10 09:20

hi2u Hydra in Zhayolm Remnants

http://juliandev.com/ffxi/TEST2012-09-07/Monster.txt

**Wardeniii** · 2012-09-10 09:29

10255: Matanca Harness Rare Exclusive
Body
DEF:77 HP+8% STR+13 DEX+13 AGI+13
Attack+20 "Counter"+4
Lv99 MNK SAM NIN PUP

They keep trying so hard to replace Toci's Harness, but just keep falling up short.

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-09-10 09:32

Looks like maybe 3 floors of mobs?

Crawler or Toad path on floor 1.
Crawler/Diremite or Pugil/Diremite Floor 2
Either central area of Floor 2 or Floor 3 Acroliths
Floor 3 Hydra.

**Wardeniii** · 2012-09-10 09:36

So probably Cerb/Khim/Hydra as bosses for three of the zones and then Dverger or Vampyr in the fourth would be my guess.

I can only hope that these new salvage zones will be like when you get launched up into the clouds in NES super mario 3 -- except instead of coins, its raining alex, and men.

**Sho** · 2012-09-10 09:38

Originally Posted by Economizer

We've never had access to a test server when they were working on adding jobs before either.

True, true.

**Slycer** · 2012-09-10 09:51

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

Looks like maybe 3 floors of mobs?

Crawler or Toad path on floor 1.
Crawler/Diremite or Pugil/Diremite Floor 2
Either central area of Floor 2 or Floor 3 Acroliths
Floor 3 Hydra.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a full layout and the information there is just very incomplete. I don't think any of the monsters in the original Salvage have names as bland as "Crawler," so I'm thinking that these will get renamed and perhaps are just placeholders for now. I don't know why they'd use Hydra as a placeholder, though, so I'm guessing he'll make an appearance.

**Slycer** · 2012-09-10 09:57

Originally Posted by Tachi

Umagrhk (the five KIs are lost upon entering)

Does this have its own expedition (like is it called "Researcher Emeritus Expedition 1" or something?) or what's the name of the battle?

**Ophannus** · 2012-09-10 10:10

I am FED UP with Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones. How many times can you rehash the same NM types, alter the stats and attributes slightly then call it a new NM?

Mission Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Assault Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Nyzul Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Freerange original Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoises.
Abyssea Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Limbus Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Neo Salvage Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
FoV Augment Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
WoE Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Legion Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Besieged Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira clones.
Campaign Fafnir/Behemoth clones.
MMM Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.

I'm probably missing like 5 other instances of mothafucking rehashed NMs.

**ronin sparthos** · 2012-09-10 10:19

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

Looks like maybe 3 floors of mobs?

Crawler or Toad path on floor 1.
Crawler/Diremite or Pugil/Diremite Floor 2
Either central area of Floor 2 or Floor 3 Acroliths
Floor 3 Hydra.

Seems incomplete. No archaic machinery and those pugil and crawlers should be jagils and eruca for shame.

**Spira** · 2012-09-10 11:00

Originally Posted by Ophannus

I am FED UP with Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones. How many times can you rehash the same NM types, alter the stats and attributes slightly then call it a new NM?

Mission Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Assault Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Nyzul Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Freerange original Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoises.
Abyssea Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Limbus Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Neo Salvage Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
FoV Augment Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
WoE Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Legion Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.
Besieged Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira clones.
Campaign Fafnir/Behemoth clones.
MMM Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira/Fafnir/Behemoth/Admantoise clones.

I'm probably missing like 5 other instances of mothafucking rehashed NMs.

yeah.. its kinda boring after a while. it used to be like 'o wow, a non-free ranged' version of this NM to fight.. but now they're everywhere. There are more wyrm mobs out there than there are some normal mobs.. like Uragnite.. It makes them feel so common..

that said.. um.. mission hydra/cerberus/adamantoise clones? where

**Ophannus** · 2012-09-10 11:12

Oh forgot about Zahak too.

**Kaisha** · 2012-09-10 11:13

Still waiting for an event that makes use of these outside of Campaign/select-WoTG missions
http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...06/2806_12.jpg

NM that spawns mobs, always a good time. Is SE's scripting engine for AI so limited that they can't make fights with select-location attacks? Need battles that make us move around outside from 'stay out of AoE/gaze range'.

If there's a reason why zerging 99% of the content works, it's because they let us stay on the mob without fear of dying. Get more shit like Citadel Buster in there but for lvl99s, and make it something nerfed PD can't laugh at.

**Ophannus** · 2012-09-10 11:28

Odin v2 was pretty zerg resistant. Not completely but fairly.

**nekura** · 2012-09-10 12:37

Originally Posted by Kaisha

NM that spawns mobs, always a good time. Is SE's scripting engine for AI so limited that they can't make fights with select-location attacks? Need battles that make us move around outside from 'stay out of AoE/gaze range'.

I think SE did some neat stuff with the box NMs in the past versions of the beastmen strongholds. Sure, they weren't necessarily difficult, but they could take some of those tactics and run with them.

**Priran** · 2012-09-10 16:24

I always thought BCNMs were some of the most creative content the game has to offer. It really makes no sense for some of the most interesting battles in the game to be locked away behind level caps and entry costs and ignored because the loot is no longer relevant, especially since SE has such a rager for battlefield statuses.

**NynJa** · 2012-09-10 17:35

Originally Posted by Slycer

I don't think any of the monsters in the original Salvage have names as bland as "Crawler,"

There are standard crawlers and toads by those names. Theres no crabs named "Crab", birds named "Bird", etc.

But lots of nyzul mobs have standard names: puk, wyvern, ziz, wamouracampa, qutrub...

**Tachi** · 2012-09-10 18:49

Originally Posted by Slycer

Does this have its own expedition (like is it called "Researcher Emeritus Expedition 1" or something?) or what's the name of the battle?

Researcher Emeritus #1.

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