Test Server Findings

[Seol]

Probably it's own family like Sea's Liminians and Luminions, I bet w/e Umbril's family is called, the Heartwings will be the opossing family!

[Yugl]

No it can't. None of the circle abilities grant any dmg boost including killer instinct and none of the debuff versions can even be used on them. No monster correlation grants any bonus dmg (ie even if you have everything killer with bst af3 body no dmg increase) except for blu spells. Basically for all intents any purposes if you aren't using blu magic on them they don't have a type. I forget which type the blu spells put it as but it's basically it's own family outside of that

BLU puts them at arcana (Poison breath).

[Kaisha]

Is anyone able to take some pics of the couple 'adjusted' Indi- spells with the reduced wishy-washy effect?

[Shep]

A partial results list from testing the new elemental damage changes.

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Stone 1 does 110 at +50 Int, 160 at +100 Int, Cap 160
Thunder 1 does 135 at +50 Int, 185 at +100 Int, Cap 185
Stone 2 does 250 at +50 Int,350 at +100 Int,450 at +200 Int, Cap 450.
Thunder 2 does 300 at +50 Int, 375 at +100 Int, 475 at +200 Int, Cap 475.
Stone 3 does 400 at +50 Int, 550 at +100 Int, and 750 at +200 Int.
Thunder 3 does 475 at +50 Int, 600 at +100 Int, and 775 at +200 Int.
Stone 4 does 650 at +50 Int, 850 at +100 Int, and 1150 at +200 Int.
Thunder 4 does 750 at +50 Int, 925 at +100 Int, and 1200 at +200 Int.
Stone 5 does 950 at +50 Int, 1200 at +100 Int, and 1600 at +200 Int.
Thunder 5 does 1075 at +50 Int, 1250 at +100 Int, and 1625 at +200 Int.

The inflection points for all spells occur at 0, +50, +100, and +200. The new versions of the spells don't seem to have a damage minimum. At -25 ⌂Int Stone 1 does 0 damage and Water 1 does 2 damage.

Fire 3 and Blizzard 3 int scaling are bugged on the server. Fire 3 barely scales at all and Blizzard 3 scaling does not match the other spells in the tier.

[Seha]

I thought umbrils fell into the "sub-category" of elementals, like ponies and pixies.

[Toth]

When you say +100 or +200, do you mean natural INT + gear stats?

[noodles355]

I think he means at +100 int over mob int etc.

[Slycer]

That's pretty wild then, it's very different from the way it is currently. Higher tier blizzard and thunder spells actually see their INT multiplier go up instead of down at the first inflection point.

I made this table interpolating the missing values for water/wind/fire/blizzard based on SE's data and the data from Shep above. Check out Blizz and Thunder IV. Essentially, the INT bonus to earth/water nukes is going to be even more significant than we thought in that low dINT range (0-50), but less significant than we thought at very high dINT (well over 100).

@Shep, I'm not sure how or where you did the tests but it would be useful if you could repeat for the newly adjusted AoE and other nukes (stone and thunder is enough to interpolate the rest of the info).

	INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
I	D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stone	10	2	110	1	160	0	160
Water	25	1.8	115	1	165	0	165
Aero	40	1.6	120	1	170	0	170
Fire	55	1.4	125	1	175	0	175
Blizz	70	1.2	130	1	180	0	180
Thunder	85	1	135	1	185	0	185
							
	INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
II	D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stone	100	3	250	2	350	1	450
Water	120	2.8	260	1.9	355	1	455
Aero	140	2.6	270	1.8	360	1	460
Fire	160	2.4	280	1.7	365	1	465
Blizz	180	2.2	290	1.6	370	1	470
Thunder	200	2	300	1.5	375	1	475
							
	INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
III	D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stone	200	4	400	3	550	2	750
Water	230	3.7	415	2.9	560	1.95	755
Aero	260	3.4	430	2.8	570	1.9	760
Fire	290	3.1	445	2.7	580	1.85	765
Blizz	320	2.8	460	2.6	590	1.8	770
Thunder	350	2.5	475	2.5	600	1.75	775

	INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
IV	D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stone	400	5	650	4	850	3	1150
Water	440	4.6	670	3.9	865	2.95	1160
Aero	480	4.2	690	3.8	880	2.9	1170
Fire	520	3.8	710	3.7	895	2.85	1180
Blizz	560	3.4	730	3.6	910	2.8	1190
Thunder	600	3	750	3.5	925	2.75	1200
							
	INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
V	D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stone	650	6	950	5	1200	4	1600
Water	700	5.5	975	4.7	1210	3.95	1605
Aero	750	5	1000	4.4	1220	3.9	1610
Fire	800	4.5	1025	4.1	1230	3.85	1615
Blizz	850	4	1050	3.8	1240	3.8	1620
Thunder	900	3.5	1075	3.5	1250	3.75	1625

[dasva]

Uggg if that's true could make gearing odd

[Slycer]

Uggg if that's true could make gearing odd

As others have pointed out elsewhere, I don't think it will change much as most of the best nuking gear tends to have the most INT on it anyway. The only big exception I can think of is an upgraded Soothsayer Staff vs. TotM damage staves. There are other minor tweaks you could make like Strophadic Earring instead of MAB+6, etc., but nothing really significant.

[Yugl]

I thought umbrils fell into the "sub-category" of elementals, like ponies and pixies.

Yes and those mobs display the same Arcana affinity when using BLU Undead spells.

[dasva]

Ok should be better to say takes more math to compare peices especially if not the best stuff

[Toth]

Hi Spira, anything hidden in the dats this week XD

Also, would you guys recommend starting a soothsayer upgrade then? Or perhaps save up airlixirs until the update and buy it only if no better options are added via delve or revies?

[Yugl]

I would wait until the next patch. You don't gain the benefits until they release the adjustments anyways.

[dasva]

Or play around in skirmish since the max augments seem to be about the same between thebstaffs iirc

[Shep]

@Shep, I'm not sure how or where you did the tests but it would be useful if you could repeat for the newly adjusted AoE and other nukes (stone and thunder is enough to interpolate the rest of the info).

I tested as Sch/Whm on the N Gustaberg starter bees for the +100 ~ +150 int range. Then moved onto Aby La-theine worms for 150 ~ 200. Then switched over to gustav tunnel worms to finish testing -25 ~ +100. Starting to test the -ga's and other random nukes now and will post later.

[vagus]

Great data so far. Thanks for taking the time to test and post.

I'm currently leveling my GEO, should I be focusing on INT gear then ?

[Gwynplaine]

Monstrosity areas on the test server are now open to: west/east ronfaure, north/south gustaberg, west/east saruta, la theine plateau, valkurm, jugner, beaucedine, and xarcabard.

Checking out the adjustments to reives. The wasp nest lair reive at H-11 Ceizak normally had several mantids where now the test version has 1 mantid and 2 wasps. Sih gates reive has 2 chapuli and a twitherym on one side of the roots, and the same mob setup on the other side. Other sih gates reive has 1 cracklaw, 2 leaches on either side of the roots. So the amount is more realistic now.

Edit: It's possible this is just the normal levels for 0 colonization, but I don't remember what is normal.

[Shep]

Finished testing the AoE spells as well as Comet and the Ancient Magics.

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		INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
ga I		D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stonega		60	3	210	2	310	1	410
Waterga		80	2.8	220	1.9	315	1	415
Aeroga		100	2.6	230	1.8	320	1	420
Firaga		120	2.4	240	1.7	325	1	425
Blizzaga	160	2.2	270	1.6	350	1	450
Thundaga	200	2	300	1.5	375	1	475
								
		INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
ga II		D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stonega		250	4	450	3	600	2	800
Waterga		280	3.7	465	2.9	610	1.95	805
Aeroga		310	3.4	480	2.8	620	1.9	810
Firaga		340	3.1	495	2.7	630	1.85	815
Blizzaga	370	2.8	510	2.6	640	1.8	820
Thundaga	400	2.5	525	2.5	650	1.75	825
								
		INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
ga III		D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stonega		500	5	750	4	950	3	1250
Waterga		540	4.7	775	3.9	970	2.95	1265
Aeroga		580	4.4	800	3.8	990	2.9	1280
Firaga		620	4.2	830	3.7	1015	2.85	1300
Blizzaga	660	3.9	855	3.6	1035	2.8	1315
Thundaga	700	3.6	880	3.5	1055	2.75	1330
								
		INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
ja		D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stoneja		750	6	1050	5	1300	4	1700
Waterja		800	5.6	1080	4.75	1317	3.95	1712
Aeroja		850	5.2	1110	4.5	1335	3.9	1725
Firaja		900	4.8	1140	4.25	1352	3.85	1737
Blizzaja	950	4.4	1170	4	1370	3.8	1750
Thundaja	1000	4	1200	3.75	1387	3.75	1762
								
		INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
AM & Comet	D	M	D	M	D	M	D
AM I		700	2	800	2	900	2	1100
AM II		800	2	900	2	1000	2	1200
Comet		1000	4	1200	3.75	1387	3.5	1737
								
		INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
ra I		D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stonera		150	3	300	2	400	1	500
Watera		180	2.8	320	1.9	415	1	515
Aerora		210	2.6	340	1.8	430	1	530
Fira		240	2.4	360	1.7	445	1	545
Blizzara	270	2.2	380	1.6	460	1	560
Thundara	300	2	400	1.5	475	1	575
								
		INT+0		INT+50		INT+100		INT+200
ra II		D	M	D	M	D	M	D
Stonera		350	4	550	3	700	2	900
Watera		390	3.7	575	2.9	720	1.95	915
Aerora		430	3.4	600	2.8	740	1.9	930
Fira		470	3.1	625	2.7	760	1.85	945
Blizzara	510	2.8	650	2.6	780	1.8	960
Thundara	550	2.5	675	2.5	800	1.75	975

The Ancient Magics in each tier have identical damage and multiplier values.

[Shep]

I'm currently leveling my GEO, should I be focusing on INT gear then ?

Geo's ra spells didn't receive much of a buff from these changes and most decent nuking gear has both Int and MAB so it won't change that much.