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[nikia]

I would rather have final 99 stage for relic to be hard but make it top tier in all aspects, dmg, ws, aftermath, etc. I try to keep in mind that even tho it took me 3~ish months to complete my kikoku that a lot of folks have spent years to get theirs at the 75 cap. It just seems kinda wrong to me, but again i am a fanboy.

[macross]

Why is it bullshit that empys are as good as relics or better. Lvl99 version cost the same or are even more effort to make than relics.
Relics are so easy to make, just spend 150m and buy it just like the lvl 95 empys. Don't see how relics should be better cause they are about equal in effort these days. You can farm 15k currency faster than you can farm 1500 heavy metal plates, that's for sure. Can also buy 15k currency faster than you can buy 1500 plates.

Who cares if some people spent 3 years to make a relic, what matters is you can make one in 1 to 3 months these days. You could have made a relic in 1-2 weeks back then too, nothing changed, all you had to do was buy it, no effort required. There was no long involving quest in order to obtain it. Just like how some knock out empys in days, some take months. Some made empys when they were hard too with 1 hour repops and shit like that. Do you whine about how people can make AF3 armor that's better than the salvage armor you took months to make as well?

Wonder if it will be something like 1000 merit stones, where you buy one with 1 merit point or something hehe. 1000 merits to upgrade a weapon!

[Helel]

Seems kinda crappy that base damage is equal now, I will say i am a relic fanboy but even if I wasnt relics should have more damage than empy. Also mythics having lower dmg ratting than empy is a slap in the face of mythic owners especially since mythic still takes the most effort to obtain. Hope there will be some trial to see relics and mythics pull ahead. sorry also if seems like complaining just kinda concerned. thanks for the info tho.

It's possible that the drop rate of alex is going to be increased by a lot, making mythics the easiest to upgrade, but who knows.

[dasva]

Wonder if it will be something like 1000 merit stones, where you buy one with 1 merit point or something hehe. 1000 merits to upgrade a weapon!

Incoming influx of leech spot selling in cleaves and such

[nikia]

Why is it bullshit that empys are as good as relics or better. Lvl99 version cost the same or are even more effort to make than relics.
Relics are so easy to make, just spend 150m and buy it just like the lvl 95 empys. Don't see how relics should be better cause they are about equal in effort these days. You can farm 15k currency faster than you can farm 1500 heavy metal plates, that's for sure. Can also buy 15k currency faster than you can buy 1500 plates.

Who cares if some people spent 3 years to make a relic, what matters is you can make one in 1 to 3 months these days. You could have made a relic in 1-2 weeks back then too, nothing changed, all you had to do was buy it, no effort required. There was no long involving quest in order to obtain it. Just like how some knock out empys in days, some take months. Some made empys when they were hard too with 1 hour repops and shit like that. Do you whine about how people can make AF3 armor that's better than the salvage armor you took months to make as well?

Wonder if it will be something like 1000 merit stones, where you buy one with 1 merit point or something hehe. 1000 merits to upgrade a weapon!

I would hope to goodness that Empy+2 armor isnt still viewed as top notch at 99, and yes I do think relic should be top tier. At least make it relic/mythic, why have a weapon that can be built to 85 in a few days be near the top. As far as just spending the loot to buy a relic, the same can be said for empy. Many folks offer merc service for a fixed price. Relics isnt simply buy the currency, still need to get the items to upgrade. My biggest "whine" is that relics have been an established "top" tier weapon since they were released and with the ToM trials it at least shows that SE didnt intend for them to be forgotten. I cant speak as an old school relic owner that had to work their butt off over years to get their weapon but I would believe they like myself are hoping that all the time, effort, desire to make it doesnt get over shadowed because SE intros a new item in september 2009. I have no intention of fighting about relic vs empy, just stating a concern.

[Foxer]

While I agree with you, people need to realize that the game has changed. What used to take a year to farm up won't fly anymore. Empyreans are the new relics. They're not hard to get, no, but nothing in the game is anymore.

Also, LV. 90 Empyreans are pretty top tier already, so don't get your hopes up about 99s falling behind or anything.

[macross]

Mythic 95 > Empy 95, > Relic 95 in order of difficulty. Why should relic be top tier when it's the easiest to make atm? Who knows how hard it will be to make these 99 though.

As for relic not simply being a buy it weapon, the few side items you need are a joke to get. You just lose a few million by not being able to farm dynamis those days you need to farm the drops or kill the few NMs.

I assure you the # of relics built from scratch to 95 easily outnumber the empys built to 95 from scratch since the 95 trial has been out.

But, even mythic are easy to make. People are just slack. Not that hard to redo all 50 salvages, kill a few nm etc. Just can't spam them all in one day. I guess having artifical time cockblocks = hard? Alex, currency, plates. All required to be purchased, all cost roughly the same, varies by server i suppose. Out of the 3, relic requirements are the fewest.

[Crysten]

But, even mythic are easy to make. People are just slack. Not that hard to redo all 50 salvages, kill a few nm etc. Just can't spam them all in one day. I guess having artifical time cockblocks = hard? Alex, currency, plates. All required to be purchased, all cost roughly the same, varies by server i suppose. Out of the 3, relic requirements are the fewest.

Last I checked, 300 mill > 150 mill.

[Foxer]

Inc another 1500 plates to 99.

[dasva]

Depends kinda on the currency too. Like doing aegis is ending up being more like 180-190mil here since bronze going crazy. Not sure about alex prices though. But yeah still more cost.

And no it's not people being slack it's people not having rediculous amounts of time to devout to one little item in 1 game. Some of us "slackers" work long hours at a crazy thing called a job ya know

[calinz]

Alex, currency, plates. All required to be purchased, all cost roughly the same

I'm sorry what? I see bazaars with 20k Alexandrite on my server. That's 600 MILLION for a mythic. Neither relic, nor empyrean can compare. And that's not even factoring all the "artificial cockblocks" as well.

[aionls]

Relics on valefor are around 180 mil now but that been said no one knows what se is going to do next month for all we know it might rain heavy plates and they could drop in price to 10-20k then it's all turned around on its head again so i'm just going to wait until i see what the 99 trials are and then we can put all the weapons in a order because as it stands right now we can't honestly say which is hardest apart from mythics and i doubt that one is going to change.

[Foxer]

Yeah, Mythics here are around 500M.

[Kalasin]

In the end every Empyrean has a situation where it's better than their relic/mythic counterpart. Same can be said about the relics and mythics though. While some may jump on me saying "but that one is useful", compare Armageddon and Annihilator on a RNG. Annihilator generates way less hate than Armageddon, and yes I know WF has hate reduction, doesn't matter for this example.

For longer fights(inb4 there are no long fights), such as Voidwatch with less people as a recent example, Annihilator will defenitely win as the RNG will not pull hate as easily. While the Arma RNG -may-, but not necessarily do more damage than the Anni, he will eventually get hate and might mess up the fight or slow his own damage down by dying a second time for being stupid.

Such situations exist for a lot of weapons, none are really "useless" except for the obvious ones.

[VZX01]

The more Annihilator become a WS spam weapon, the better the RNG become the hateless DD machine. But recently I think the benefit of 3x damage from it becoming a not-so-desired feature, especially when it procs on Barrage. You want an awesome hateless weapon but suddenly Death Penalty becomes the cure when the magic works.

[Ratatapa]

So what about Genkai quest and +4 Elemental staves like cure one?

[akron666]

Mythic 95 > Empy 95, > Relic 95 in order of difficulty. Why should relic be top tier when it's the easiest to make atm? Who knows how hard it will be to make these 99 though.

Well lolEmpy Lvl 85 are the easiest to make and even now relic are still harder to make than an empy infact u can finish an empy in 2 days, but ull never be able to finish a relic in 2 days. Yes of course now relics are pieces of cake to make, but try to see the situation by the point of view of old players! Who got relic years ago spent atleast 1 year to make is own relic. Mythic>Relic>Empy is the right order infact there are much more empyreans than relics use ur fucking brain the only hard stage of empy is the 90-95.
Mythics and Relics should be the top tier weapon cause empyrean are the lolrelics for the lolplayer... go die lolse!

[lolwut]

It took me a year to get my first job to 75, but only a day to get it from 75 to 95. Therefore level 75 should be more powerful than level 95. WTF SE, think of the old players.

All nonsense aside, do we have confirmation beyond google translate that 99 Empyreans are now oat instead of odd?

[Julian]

You can't kill all the NMs required to get the weapon up to empy stage, and then get 50+50 of those items, in 2 days. (Maybe if you're playing the full 24 hours a day, and every single NM takes <20~30min to pop) Cry more.

[Atoreis]

I have Apoc and doing 95 empy now and I think they are now equally hard to make and should be equal powerful. Ppl who cry about relic should be more powerful because some players did them in 2 years are very funny. First of all most ppl who made relics in 2 months now put more effort into it than many players that got it in 2 years when full LS was working on their weapon. If they self funded than they pretty much bought them so no supper effort beside making gils.

How about players who was smart enough to make big money in days of inflation and then bought few relic? Should those relics be weaker than those gotten normal way? Stop be ridiculous. They are equally hard to make. None care that 90 empy is easy to get and 90-95 is only hard now. Relic is reverse harder to make at start but 75>95 is easier than 75-90 empy. If you would cry that 90 empy should never be better than 95 relic then sure, but 95 vs 95 is just you being pathetic.