Test Server Findings

[Nightfyre]

Rana

once every 1.5mins

also you're storing to 300tp to do that too

that's a lot of lost TP you could have converted to damage, hm

My mistake on the WS. I'm not mistaken about the AM3 duration though, it's been 180 seconds since level 80. Considering that it's 40% OAT and 20% OA3 and can also proc once on WS, you'll more than make up the lost WS damage.

[dasva]

For "Last Stand" it probably does good damage with 1 bullet left. I wonder if it depends on how many bullets in total you have in inventory or how many of a TYPE of bullet you have. Otherwise I can see it being gamebreaking with those r/ex bullets that RNG macro into WS with Unlimited Shot.

Um unless you count the heavy shell there is only 1 r/ex bullet and there already is a regular bullet that has 16 more base dmg than it. Hell when hightail came out it wasn't much higher than silver.

[Atoreis]

Rana

once every 1.5mins

also you're storing to 300tp to do that too

that's a lot of lost TP you could have converted to damage, hm

AM3 is much longer than 1.5min now. Its more like 3min or something.
You have Dust wing in VW and can use it to pop 300%TP WS.
2-3 works on first hit of WS so its 40%DA 20%DA from am3 there. New WS is also 2hit so have also qa/ta/da chance on second hit from trait/equip.
Its much higher WS frequency and probably much higher ws damage vs a little less dmg per hit when melee. Mythic is clear winner imo.

[Fievel]

Mythic is clear winner imo.

Definitely, pretty funny that it's now on top.

[Sho]

...... I... I... I give up. You win SE.

Suddenly, just when you least expect it, they nerf the WS more than what it currently is. Don't be fooled by SE shenanigans!

[Byrthnoth]

So yeah, I think the Dagger WS probably unseats DE and Evisceration. Superficially/napkin math, a set I randomly tossed together should out-damage my current DE set by 15%.

I was having a lot of fun laughing at Blade: Hi Ninjas and their stupid AGI builds, too.

It's kind of what Dagger jobs have always asked for, too. A pretty strong unstacked WS where additional attacks actually matter.

[Soho]

Was anyone able to prove or disprove that Currency will be involved in the Relic Gear upgrades yet? Seems like there was a lot of conflicting info about those.

[Yukari]

So yeah, I think the Dagger WS probably unseats DE and Evisceration. Superficially/napkin math, a set I randomly tossed together should out-damage my current DE set by 15%.

I was having a lot of fun laughing at Blade: Hi Ninjas and their stupid AGI builds, too.

It's kind of what Dagger jobs have always asked for, too. A pretty strong unstacked WS where additional attacks actually matter.

How good is it stacked in comparison to Rudras?

[Atoreis]

Sword WS is doing 1800-2400(13-14TP return 6-7hits) and up to 3200(15tp return 8hits). On EP birds in abyss la theine (w/o cruor buffs and with apoc/A&O/Lion I wanted to check if TA can proc and yeah it can)
I used RCB and stalwart for those ( it gave a huge boost in damage so its not magical in sense of not being based on pdif )
Merited 5/5 with 77+72MND.


Around 1700 with same MND on EP Bats in Zeruhn mines with 13 tp return.
All at 100-150TP. With 300TP I did 2077 which let me to believe its actually attack bonus scaled with TP like in description.

[Taint]

AM3 is much longer than 1.5min now. Its more like 3min or something.
You have Dust wing in VW and can use it to pop 300%TP WS.
2-3 works on first hit of WS so its 40%DA 20%DA from am3 there. New WS is also 2hit so have also qa/ta/da chance on second hit from trait/equip.
Its much higher WS frequency and probably much higher ws damage vs a little less dmg per hit when melee. Mythic is clear winner imo.

Without a doubt Mythic is the winner, esp on SAM where getting 300tp is a joke to get and keep.

[Byrthnoth]

How good is it stacked in comparison to Rudras?

Horrible, of course. The first hit is 1 fTP. It's not good for stacking with anything. Ternary may actually be our best Tier 3 flourish for it.

It's not Fusion or Distortion, which leaves Gravitation or Fragmentation. Trying to get something that lives long enough to test it now.

It's not Gravitation, so it must be Fragmentation. Trying it out now.

[Foldypaws]

So yeah, I think the Dagger WS probably unseats DE and Evisceration. Superficially/napkin math, a set I randomly tossed together should out-damage my current DE set by 15%.

Are you figuring it based on 100% Agi mod @ 5/5 or 85%? (As there seems to be some discrepancy)

I was having a lot of fun laughing at Blade: Hi Ninjas and their stupid AGI builds, too.

Me too XD

[Nightfyre]

So yeah, I think the Dagger WS probably unseats DE and Evisceration. Superficially/napkin math, a set I randomly tossed together should out-damage my current DE set by 15%.

I was having a lot of fun laughing at Blade: Hi Ninjas and their stupid AGI builds, too.

At least you don't have to balance AGI and DEX/critrate. I'm curious about fTP/WSC/attack boost properties for the new Katana WS though... A strong WS would put Kikoku definitively ahead of Kannagi as opposed to comparable, even ignoring the mystery afterglow effect. Gaxe WS might also have potential for Bravura.

[Castellano]

anything on after glow or whatever its called yet?

[Slycer]

Was anyone able to prove or disprove that Currency will be involved in the Relic Gear upgrades yet? Seems like there was a lot of conflicting info about those.

The last word I saw on this indicates that it's not involved, but no real confirmation yet either way. There are new items dropping off mobs in Dynamis in the test server though -- unnamed items which likely correspond to these trials.

[Rehwyn]

I was having a lot of fun laughing at Blade: Hi Ninjas and their stupid AGI builds, too.

Look at the (kinda) bright side: at least it's not a crit WS so dDEX doesn't matter.

EDIT: Beaten by Nightfyre. ><

[Byrthnoth]

Are you figuring it based on 100% Agi mod @ 5/5 or 85%? (As there seems to be some discrepancy)

Me too XD

It's 100% (or near it) at 5/5. I kept updating my tests a few pages ago.

Also, it looks like Fragmentation/Scission.

[Sechs]

I would love to know how a defensive buff in a game where you probably are going to get AoE raped anyway and single target attack mitigation doesn't really do much beats 40 acc

Not saying who's the winner because I have no clue, but you should clearly factor the aftermaths too, the STP from Amano vs the OA ~40% from Kogarasumaru.
With 180 seconds lasting time and with the ease SAM can get to 300TP the uptime of that Aftermath is gonna be pretty high, and it's no small aspect if you ask me.

I'd love to know how Third Eye gets enhanced in tiers beyond the first on the lv75 version =/


Edit:
Beaten, sorry

[Julian]

I'm going to try editing the item dats sometime in the next few days, so that all of the blank "." items can have a debug name, so we can at least try and see if they're all the same ".", or different ones, or whatever. Thing is, item dats are encrypted, and I have to look up how to decrypt it and write an implementation, but I'm kinda busy with school, so probably wont happen for a bit >.>

[Yukari]

Horrible, of course. The first hit is 1 fTP. It's not good for stacking with anything. Ternary may actually be our best Tier 3 flourish for it.

It's not Fusion or Distortion, which leaves Gravitation or Fragmentation. Trying to get something that lives long enough to test it now.

It's not Gravitation, so it must be Fragmentation. Trying it out now.

Thanks for testing. Trying not to laugh at Ternary flourish being useful at all. Also somewhat dashes the idea of using it on a TAWS instead of Rudras on THF.