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[pancakesandsex]

What about stacking it with assassin's charge? That help at all?

If you can, try it with a triplus/chinners belt/demonry ring + assassin's charge and see if its worth stacking in "increases triple attack damage" over more agility. They seem to be adding that to a bunch of gear (including relic feet).

[yunalaysca]

At least you don't have to balance AGI and DEX/critrate.

this, thats why im always concerned about agi setups, and when i heard agi was the mod for this i was kind of worried. thanks for the math byrth, i'll probably bug you about it in game later.

edit: do we have a dat compilation for the new stuff? i'd like to know the rough locations on the new stuff so i can look at them myself.

also byrth have you glanced at the new samba dnc is getting? the animation makes me think tp drain, but idk.

[Yukari]

What about stacking it with assassin's charge? That help at all?

If you can, try it with a triplus/chinners belt/demonry ring + assassin's charge and see if its worth stacking in "increases triple attack damage" over more agility. They seem to be adding that to a bunch of gear (including relic feet).

I'd love to test that, but I don't have a test account.

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it kinda makes you wonder why you wouldn't just stack Rudra's with that stuff instead, Rudra's also being a very low # of hits. (I forget how many, I think 2?)

[Foldypaws]

I'd love to test that, but I don't have a test account.

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it kinda makes you wonder why you wouldn't just stack Rudra's with that stuff instead, Rudra's also being a very low # of hits. (I forget how many, I think 2?)

Rudra's is only a 60% stat mod instead of a 100% one. So extra hits are less potent on it.

[pancakesandsex]

I'd love to test that, but I don't have a test account.

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it kinda makes you wonder why you wouldn't just stack Rudra's with that stuff instead, Rudra's also being a very low # of hits. (I forget how many, I think 2?)

I use offhand triplus and chinners on rudra's because it's also a good dex belt, but I only TP in the demonry ring. I don't think it's worth using over rajas / thundersoul.

Either I'm not doing it right or assassin's charge doesn't work like I think it should with SA TA because I can never get them to deal good damage together, so this would basically give me a 3rd JA to stack WS with.

[Prothescar]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/o...duo/Shoha1.png

Idk how this looks for Kaggen, I've never done him on SAM. This was with TP Bonus GKT +2, fucked up most of the SCs. Doing it with Masamune and some Fudo Lights next.

Also, sup Byrth.

[pancakesandsex]

this, thats why im always concerned about agi setups, and when i heard agi was the mod for this i was kind of worried. thanks for the math byrth, i'll probably bug you about it in game later.

edit: do we have a dat compilation for the new stuff? i'd like to know the rough locations on the new stuff so i can look at them myself.

also byrth have you glanced at the new samba dnc is getting? the animation makes me think tp drain, but idk.

The new Denali +5 looks like it might be pretty rad for the new dagger WS. Especially with the set bonus.

[Atoreis]

Shoha numbers with Kikugosaku(111 dmg), 103+114STR and 999+att

Ovni: 2400 4400 2696 3760 5333 4244 2806 1822
2xTA on regular sheep did 5190 at exactly 100TP
No TA/DA 2180 at 100TP
DA at 200TP 3600
TA at 100TP 3400

[InsaniacTHF]

Messing around with some WSs in terrigan. The Katana WS is much much better than I originally thought. The people I watched clearly only did 1/5 because I was doing consistent 1900-2500 damage with +52 dex. Dagger is pretty solid and looks like it's definitely the new unstacked WS outside abyssea doing 2-2.5k on avg with +72 agi. As far as TA goes idk. I think it should beat everything but TA rudra's easily and the only reason rudra's would be up there is because there is so much gear with both dex and AGI on it.

Any requests for some WS numbers while I'm bored?

[Sechs]

Test Shojin (h2h) on something with a lot of def (Qilin?) and check if it's any better than Vsmite. Keep impetus down, Vsmite doesn't produce good numbers on Qilin for me when impetus is down.

[Prothescar]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/o...duo/shoha2.png

Some Fudo comparisons. Fucked up the SCs again but doesn't really matter, this was for damage comparison mostly. I don't have top of the line Fudo gear, missing Voidwatch body and +1 head, but aside from that.

[Ophannus]

Didn't think it was possible for them to make a WS for SAM stronger than Fudo. Hope Stardiver ends up beating Drakesbane in the long run too

[Gredival]

I'm curious about fTP/WSC/attack boost properties for the new Katana WS though... A strong WS would put Kikoku definitively ahead of Kannagi as opposed to comparable, even ignoring the mystery afterglow effect. Gaxe WS might also have potential for Bravura.

Forgive my ignorance as I'm just catching up on this thread, but even if the WS was comparable to Hi's damage, how are we balancing the Kannagi Aftermath? Has the hidden x3 on Kikoku been scaled up enough to match that?

It seems even worse for Great Axe, even assuming something matches Ukko's Broken, the fact that Bravura only gets x2 seems to mean we at least need the hidden to be brought up equal to the Ukonvasara's Aftermath rate to make them equal DPS-wise (ignoring the benefits of Bravura's -DT and possibly AOE -DT)

[kamugi]

Has anyone done anything with the great axe WS yet?

[Taint]

Some Fudo comparisons. Fucked up the SCs again but doesn't really matter, this was for damage comparison mostly. I don't have top of the line Fudo gear, missing Voidwatch body and +1 head, but aside from that.

Well damn! Shoha being the best WS changes a lot for SAM. (until we see what happens to Emp/Relic WSs at 99)

[Atoreis]

Hmmm Cata and Entropy doing the same damage for me with Apoc 95 and 83+39Int. Both around 2000 so yeah nothing changed here.

[Dimmauk]

Well damn! Shoha being the best WS changes a lot for SAM. (until we see what happens to Emp/Relic WSs at 99)

Can empyrean aftermath proc on other WS?

[Forte]

Hey so I was looking at the armor mined from the dats and I see an SMN lvl 99 earring in there. Does anyone know what the stats are on it?

[Greatguardian]

Can empyrean aftermath proc on other WS?

Empyrean Aftermath can't proc on WS at all, if you mean ODD on WS.

[Yukari]

Can empyrean aftermath proc on other WS?

No, I don't believe so. It only procs on melee hits iirc.

Edit: D'oh! Ninja'd.