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[Atoreis]

Except it's luck, so I can go 1/1 on Rex or I can go 1/1000 on Rex but I can do it 50x in one day if I was so inclined; at the same time, the rest of the people present for the fight are also able to get their loot, 1/1 or 1/1000.

With ADL, one person gets the loot, there is luck involved regardless of having 18 or not, and you can do it once a day, potentially more if your LS is good. Being more realistic, your LS isn't good enough to do more than 1 per run, and you are also not fielding 18 people.

Realistically, to get 1 person their 5 items, it's probably going to take at least 7 runs, so let's up that to 14h.

If we take 1/100 on Rex, and assume 1h/4Rex, I've spent 25h getting my Rubeus/Athos armor and I've also got at least one Riftdross/Cinder and probably some spells, maybe a knife and 50 Gerra's Staffs.

In that same amount of time, 17 other people have also got the items they are looking for. I spend 25h on Rex, I get the items I am looking for as do 17 other people, I make a bit of gil and I can still do Dyna.

In 25h on ADL, only one person has collected the items they are looking for and another is close to finishing.

Haha I like how you skewed things around lol
First of 100Rex is avg amount for upg one Empy and thats assuming all ppl from ally will give one person their cinder/dross.
Second of all most of the ppl there might get items they want pretty soon or they might dont want anything at all reducing they reward to sellable scrolls which barely even out what you need to throw to buy voiddust.

[Churchill]

I think you missed the point, I wasn't talking at all about dross/cinder aside from the fact that you would get it and be able to sell it.

And you're right, people would be there to get their items and then leave, then you would get new people. My point was only that 18 people would get what they wanted, on average, for 100 fights. It would likely be more considering T6 drop rates are far better than T3. When they get what they want, they leave, and you get new people, of those some will even get what they want. This portion of the argument doesn't help you out at all.


Other news: I'm going to do a few more runs, but the difference from TH2 and TH6 in Dynamis is shaping up to be pretty significant. I don't know what Dipper/Falcor's TH is and what it's being reduced to, but this may/could hurt BST a lot more than people think.

[Atoreis]

Well in that case its nowhere near 4Rex/h because gathering new ppl each time will take more time than actual fight. Thats assuming you will win and thats assuming you will find that many ppl at right jobs willing to actually do it at all.

[NynJa]

how is anything skewed around? What did he say in there is false at all? to kill ADL, you need the help of others, and in doing so, youre raping others of dynamis time, time where they are making some of the easiest gil in the game (or upgrading a relic). ADL is a bullshit luck fight where even if you do everything right, it can still go "fuck you" and cause you to lose. And you cant say "its impractical to do rex all day, people get their shit and leave"...because the same principal may apply in getting help for ADL, but then you're contending with the fact that you're taking someones REALLY EASY moneymaker out of the equation as well.


What do Macross, Pchan, and Atroeis have in common, other than they're the only people seemingly saying how ridiculously easy the ADL is (despite the fact its 90% luck)?

[ronin sparthos]

Haha I like how you skewed things around lol
First of 100Rex is avg amount for upg one Empy and thats assuming all ppl from ally will give one person their cinder/dross.
Second of all most of the ppl there might get items they want pretty soon or they might dont want anything at all reducing they reward to sellable scrolls which barely even out what you need to throw to buy voiddust.

Except even if everyone caps on Botlus Rex and Ig-Alima you can simply shout up more people who will be interested in the drops. At worst, you've got people coming along for a 3min fight to collect cruor and EXP off the kills. No entry barriers and you'll likely be done in an hour wins or wipes. The entire server hasn't capped out on Ogier/Athos and people want the aura weapons.

ADL requires an alliance of people to throw their Dynamis entry away to help you do a win, the drops from the trash mobs will plummet in value and you'll get barely any reward to spread across the alliance. If Ig/Rex boil down to just cruor/EXP, ADL boils down to nothing more than one person getting their relic items while everyone else wastes their time.

You'll have people lot Archon drops just to say they got something but by in large no one gives a shit about those drops meaning by run 4-5 you'll just have people tagging along, putting in effort for absolutely no reward. If your LS has many relics then well.. you're thoroughly fucked and people will have every right to be annoyed when they can't do Dynamis runs to bankroll their own projects because ADL is eating up all the time.

If you don't have an LS of people already? Congratulations, you aren't finishing this trial.

Dumb trial, QQ is justified.

[NynJa]

You'll have people lot Archon drops just to say they got something

I just want to point out of someones coming along for a chance at Archon garbage, they probably belong here.

[ronin sparthos]

I await the responses when people start to shout this in Jeuno. I need help with ADL runs and I have.... absolutely nothing to offer in return.

The "challenge" is setting up such a run. Difficulty!

[NynJa]

Archon is the only thing you can shout as FL in an ADL run lol. Well no, I guess you could shout the old DL drops too.

All the good players will go "LOL", and all the perle/pink players will go "OMG LOOT".

btw, riddle me this: if ADL is so easy under the basis of having a dedicated LS to do it every day (once a day), how come that same LS dedication doesnt apply when it comes to spamming rex/alima all day every day

[Atoreis]

Answer: Team up with other ppl who want to upg relics
Hint: There is more of them than ppl interested in Rex/Igalima drops

[NynJa]

So your suggestion is to shout for people willing to team up to take down a notorious monster.

For Rex/Alima: Doesnt work, because people will get their loot and leave, because they're shady like that and dont want to waste their time once they accomplished their goal.
For ADL: works, because people wont get their loot and leave, they dont mind throwing away 1-3 million gil per day because theyre nice people who want to make sure everyone accomplishes their goal.


If you're going to provide arguments, they have to have.... BARANCE, and right now youre around Pchan level.

[noodles355]

Archon garbage

Sch Melee cape and Leaden Salute Ring !!!!

[Atoreis]

So your suggestion is to shout for people willing to team up to take down a notorious monster.

For Rex/Alima: Doesnt work, because people will get their loot and leave, because they're shady like that and dont want to waste their time once they accomplished their goal.
For ADL: works, because people wont get their loot and leave, they dont mind throwing away 1-3 million gil per day because theyre nice people who want to make sure everyone accomplishes their goal.


If you're going to provide arguments, they have to have.... BARANCE, and right now youre around Pchan level.

No I never said to SHOUT for ADL I said to team up. Like make a static and get everyone their relics. I can understand for person like you things like that are beyond your imagination.

I havent said you wont be able to make a pug for Rex too. Im just poitning out that if you actually want to win it will be much more complecated than some ppl tryig to show it. There is not that much good players willing to make Rex PUGs because they a)got their stuff b)dont want it c)have LSs to do it. Doing Rex in PUG is also luck based.

Rex/Alima wont block you from dynamis farm like ADL thats true but total time spent at Rex/Alima is many times bigger than time spent at ADLs. In this time you can do a lot of stuff like try to get Toci harness for example so spamming Rex/Alima doesnt block your Dynamis entry but blocks many other activities becaus eof how time demending it is.

[NynJa]

So basically you're spitting out utter bullshit, because if you can make an ADL static, you can make a rex/alima static.

The only difference being you can run your rex/alima static all day every day, and shout for replacements if someones missing (and believe me, its not THAT hard to get 1-2 people wanting to do those fights)...except for ADL you have to collaborate everyones schedules, and if someones missing:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...dle-finger.jpg


and dont give the "its not 100% drop off rex" garbage...

[Atoreis]

Arguing with you is so pointless....
I was assuming static for both like several posts ago and never said you cant make static for VW.
Your strategy of arguing is to keep suggesting someone wrote something that he hasnt.

Here is a quote assuming static for both

Haha I like how you skewed things around lol
First of 100Rex is avg amount for upg one Empy and thats assuming all ppl from ally will give one person their cinder/dross.
Second of all most of the ppl there might get items they want pretty soon or they might dont want anything at all reducing they reward to sellable scrolls which barely even out what you need to throw to buy voiddust.

In next post Churchill cleared out that he meant PUG more than static ao I answered with:

Well in that case its nowhere near 4Rex/h because gathering new ppl each time will take more time than actual fight. Thats assuming you will win and thats assuming you will find that many ppl at right jobs willing to actually do it at all.

You are another person who cant or dont want to read.

[Mairja]

I feel like screaming SHUT UP at my monitor now, after having read the last page or so of this thread. -.-

[Churchill]

I feel like screaming TITS OR GTFO

[Mairja]

I feel like screaming TITS OR GTFO

...I can't think of a witty response to that, I fail.

[Greatguardian]

The odds of people who aren't in an established shell that's been together for at least 6 months having to deal with Relics bouncing as soon as they're 5/5 on their personal marrows are pretty damn high, just saying. Like hell someone's going to "Team Up" and then stay after their relic is done in a pickup setting. That sort of thing hasn't even been player warning-worthy here in years, so don't think it won't happen.

[Atoreis]

The odds of people who aren't in an established shell that's been together for at least 6 months having to deal with Relics bouncing as soon as they're 5/5 on their personal marrows are pretty damn high, just saying. Like hell someone's going to "Team Up" and then stay after their relic is done in a pickup setting. That sort of thing hasn't even been player warning-worthy here in years, so don't think it won't happen.

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If you really have no friends and dont trust ppl that they will stay after getting upg for their relic, there is a simply solution. Give all ppl 1 Marrow then when all will have one give them 2nd etc. This way before first relic will be finished the rest will have 4/5.

[NynJa]

Anything you say about the relic ADL trial can be applied to the emp rex/alima trial...except you CAN get outsider help for rex/alima trial whereas no ones gonna go waste a dynamis run to help on ADL.