The Official Forums III: It goes on forever, now.

[Deader2818]

Why does anyone bother with Atoreis? I think hes proven time and again hes a moron and very "myopic"

He won't stand to reason because in his mind, hes always right. I had to sit there and listen to his crack pot ideas back when he was in our salvage group at 75 cap.

[S N K]

Anything you say about the relic ADL trial can be applied to the emp rex/alima trial...except you CAN get outsider help for rex/alima trial whereas no ones gonna go waste a dynamis run to help on ADL.

Pretty much this. Wasted time in Dynamis I could be better spending on farming my currency for my relic.

[noodles355]

...I can't think of a witty response to that, I fail.

FORGOT TITS!

Spoiler: show

Witty anagram !!

[Draylo]

The odds of people who aren't in an established shell that's been together for at least 6 months having to deal with Relics bouncing as soon as they're 5/5 on their personal marrows are pretty damn high, just saying. Like hell someone's going to "Team Up" and then stay after their relic is done in a pickup setting. That sort of thing hasn't even been player warning-worthy here in years, so don't think it won't happen.

God I fear for people who do try that lol. If Abyssea has taught me anything, its that scrubs will leave once they get all their shit. Really brought out the dark side in people in regards to empy farming.

[grevenilvec75]

BG wiki:

Clones spawn with a high stoneskin effect (Unknown HP, maybe ~1000) whereas the true Arch Dynamis Lord does not.

Looks like Byrth removed this from the ADL page, is there some other independent confirmation?

[Byrthnoth]

It wasn't me, but someone did (Alkimi?) Anyway, it's probably wrong.

[Mahoro]

My 2 cents:

1) PUG ADL's won't happen, period.

2) ADL static groups are not impossible, but largely improbable because you will need a perfect constellation of 12ish people with perfect attendance who have access to SMN/COR/WHM friends and mules to do multiple pops per run (see other thread re: doing 7 ADL's in one run). It has been my experience that having statics of anything over 6-8 people is unreliable and unwieldy. You are basically getting into LS territory at that rate.

3) The way ADL is now, it is largely the province of large LS's which are premised on the regular rotation of events and rewarding people who show up to one event with stuff from another. In my own LS, generally the melee are interested in ADL whereas the mages are interested in Oneiros Grips, Avesta Bangles, and other Arch boss mage gear. Each group will show up to Dyna events because it's part of that larger rotation.

4) The actual percentage of people who enter Dyna EVERY single day is not 100%, but likely a significant percentage lower. I won't hazard an exact guess, but I WILL say from personal experience that in my own LS, maybe 20% max of the active members hardcore farm Dyna every single day, 7 days a week. Many of those are relicholders themselves who don't mind sacrificing some Dyna time to get their relics to 99. As to the rest, it was not hard to get people to "rape their Dyna time" (as it was classily put above) to do an ADL kill last week, because to many of them it was just another LS event. Not everyone is bankrolling a Relic/Mythic/Empy. Some don't even have the favored jobs to farm Dyna gil or care to level them. Some only log on for 2-3 hours some nights, and if there is an event going on they would not have been able to farm Dyna that day anyway.

5) Notwithstanding all the above, I actually agree the Trial deserves some criticism because of SE's misleading statements. I am simply suggesting ways to accomplish it.

[Lyall]

Any fight that has a Fuck You You Lose move is a poorly designed one. I couldn't stand that shit in the Shin Megami Tensei series, I sure as shit wouldn't stand for it in an MMO where 17 other people get fucked along with me and I can't just reload a save. If 18 excellent players have to rely on the enemy NOT using a specific attack at a certain time, that is offensive. Luck should never be more highly-valued than skill in an MMO, never ever.

[noodles355]

Looks like Byrth removed this from the ADL page, is there some other independent confirmation?

We did two ADLs to confirm/debunk it. Blms nuked after split before melee re-engaged, both times all nukes hit same damage on both mobs, none was absorbed by stoneskin. Unless the stoneskin only absorbs melee damage.

[Churchill]

Could do a fell cleave next time to confirm

@Mahoro: There are people like me too who rarely go on the weekend, but running weekend events is sort of meh. If it was farmable to the point you go go Sat/Sun and come out with the majority of what you need for one person it wouldn't be a bad gig

[Limlight]

can we get isa or someone in here to clean this shit up?

[NynJa]

Id trust thundaja over cleave...cleave isnt fixed dmg spread around and it can miss

[noodles355]

Cleave would be more to test if that stoneskin malarkey was just a physical damage stoneskin, or if it was just complete bullshit.

[GoggleHead]

Awww, they nuked GG's post calling out Seriha

[Deader2818]

What was it?

[arus2001]

Took a bit of page backing, but...

Christ. You're the most destructive, ass-backwards commenter I have ever seen. "I don't want any curing or nuking buffs if they're not tied directly to my sword and only my sword". Really? Fuck you.

[Greatguardian]

Original Post:
Christ. You're the most destructive, ass-backwards commenter I have ever seen. "I don't want any curing or nuking buffs if they're not tied directly to my sword and only my sword". Really? Fuck you.

I didn't even notice until I checked this thread, lol. 3 hour suspension for it but it was so, so, so worth it. I absolutely cannot stand that guy.

Any time someone actually starts discussing a semi-decent idea for spells or buffs for Red Mage that would make it favorable in party play, he jumps in and shits all over the thread because "Anything that buffs healing or nuking or enfeebling or enhancing will make people want us to cast instead of melee so I only want buffs that come from Enspells/Auras and require Rdms to be in melee range and hitting things like Sambas".

Every fucking time.

[Howie Roary]

if only there were some frontline job that uses sword and can even equip excalibur, has an enspell and phalanx, and can also cast magic and technically nuke with holy

[Greatguardian]

if only there were some frontline job that uses sword and can even equip excalibur, has an enspell and phalanx, and can also cast magic and technically nuke with holy

To be perfectly honest, and I've had this conversation with Seriha before, they may as well just play Blue Mage and be done with it. But no, it has to be Red. Like, literally, the color Red. It has to have a fancy hat and a pointy sword. That's what's important. If they renamed Blue Mage "Red Mage Alternate Edition" and overwrote its models with RDM's AF gear, he would be happy.

That's the case for a lot of those posters, tbh. It's all about the "Lore and history of the spellsword", "Red Mage's legacy in other FFs", and other such drivel. Everyone just wants to be the main character of a single-player JRPG who can smack things, cast spells, generally do everything at once, and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Lyall]

I'm about to blow your minds.

Red - Magical might and main,protective power, spiritual life and vigor, aggressive force. The principal color of the Rune s? also a sign of death. Often related to gold.

World English Dictionary
mage (meɪdʒ)

—n
an archaic word for magician

[14: from magus

DON'T YOU SEE? RED MAGE'S DEFINITIVE TRAITS ARE MAGICAL MIGHT AND DEATH. Do you see "Healing" or "refreshing" up there? NO. BECAUSE RED MAGES ARE DESIGNED TO BE FIGHTING MACHINES. You can't argue with the definition of the words, man.

Ahem.

I am scared to wonder how these people actually live. Like, who are they in real life? Are there other things that get them on the defensive like this? Should instant-ramen be drained entirely and eaten like pasta with a fork, or left with some liquid in it to be eaten with a spoon like soup? I want more absolutely-must-be-this-way-no-matter-what examples. Morbidly fascinating, I say.