Warning: Clipper

[Yugl]

All 3P are cheating and to claim one is worse than another will come down to arbitrary principles. Oddly, with the exception of transparency, Clipper is unlikely to fall within the extremes of any given principle. In terms of enabling more than you could before (And providing the most assistance during battle), Windower triumphs over all. In terms of automated control, bots will triumph. From what I've seen, Clipper's features pertain to convenience unless abused to the extreme (POS hacking while fighting a mob). I think it's some particular aspect about movement speed that makes most people consider Clipper a superior hack to Windower, but in terms of utility, the necessity declines as the "skill" (Defined as general success without outlandish movement speed) increases.

[Kari]

Being able to kite a mob forever until you're prepared to kill it is probably the most abusive thing you can do with Clipper.
For example, a normal wipe can be turned into one guy flee-hacking a mob in circles while everyone unweakens.

Either way, I'd never use Clipper in a way that someone would think "Hey! They're cheating!" in public.
If I used it at all in public, it'd be to be constantly at the move speed I'd have with chocobo jig + tandavas.

[dasva]

Besides we got atma of the zombie apocalypse now. No need to flee hack after wipe

[Kaisha]

Being able to kite a mob forever until you're prepared to kill it is probably the most abusive thing you can do with Clipper.
For example, a normal wipe can be turned into one guy flee-hacking a mob in circles while everyone unweakens.

Not hard to gank hate off people that do that. Got myself a free Orthrus before when I saw a group blatantly abusing that.

One thing my LS had done to us was when we were going after T2 VNM in Uleg. Chione just climbed up the mountain to where the majority of us were waiting for it (we were killing chariot prior to the window). A three-man group decided they were better than us and ran up the fucking cliff just to outpop us.

I don't know how SE doesn't have detection methods in place for blatant abuse like that.

[BerenTebogo]

Have you ever run through the glacier? Or Jugner [s]? Or Meriphitaud?

Yeah, fuck that shit.

[Darkmagi]

Yeah, climbing the mountain made ogopogo/chione a hell of a lot less stressful.

[Atoreis]

Yeah, climbing the mountain made ogopogo/chione a hell of a lot less stressful.

Cheating like that makes me sad. Nothing I can do about it tho so yeah... I hope some day GM will just have a super not lazy day and ban all clipper users ^^ ( would be cool if only those who use it to compete with other players not just for solo getting CS for CoP). Saying clipper is less cheating than windower w/o plugins is just stupid. Windower only let you control game better. It's like saying going from pad to keyboard is cheating. Clipper let you do things you just cant do w/o it and changing few most valuable items in game to trash lol.

[Limlight]

Have you ever run through the glacier? Or Jugner [s]? Or Meriphitaud?

Yeah, fuck that shit.

not a clipper user but yea...........yea..........................

[Prothescar]

and changing few most valuable items in game to trash lol.

what

[Sprint]

wlegs, gaiters, etc

[Prothescar]

How does Clipper completely diminish the effectiveness of movement speed? It isn't a fleetool.

[dasva]

How does Clipper completely diminish the effectiveness of movement speed? It isn't a fleetool.

Actually it is. In fact it can go much faster than flee speed

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah it is.

[Prothescar]

Hm, wasn't aware of that feature. Carry on~

[The_OG_Nelta]

I was really Anti-Clipper for awhile. Finally got around to using it, and can't play the game without it anymore ;_;

[Jex]

I wish all people who used flee hacks would just be gone from this game for ever you dirty bot fag's...
I can't flee hack so you shouldn't either, Its against the rules!

[Ksandra]

I'll admit, I'm anti flee hacking. I've taken a blizzard stance on what is "bad cheating" vs. "good cheating" when it comes to other MMOs that don't allow any addons (FFXI, Aion, etc.). You get banned for flee hacking in WoW, which makes a fuckton more sense in that game anyway because people like to do the capture the flag games with it which is complete bullshit.

Obviously, not as serious as FFXI as there's no PVP, but it's bad nonetheless. Not going into a tirade if people use it or anything, but if people get in trouble for it, I wouldn't give a shit.

[Yugl]

Windower only let you control game better. It's like saying going from pad to keyboard is cheating.

That's a stupid assertion. Windower lets you use more gear than you normally could in quick succession (Which is arguably the best feature any program can give you). Windower lets you access plugins that allows you to see other PT member's TP, see the duration of multiple spells (And don't give me bullshit about how you manually time the duration of all your buffs), automatically pass items so that you don't incidentally (Yes, incidentally, not accidentally) have full inventory when an item drops to you that you want, cancel, spellcast, precognition, blinkmenot, and autoexec. Windower lets you alias/bind processes. None of these are features available in game nor are they only letting you "control the game better." It's a ridiculous argument for you to maintain.

Let me guess the comeback: "But Windower by itself is fine! You can just not use those features!". Well guess what? You can be minimalist with Clipper too and just use GM features to avoid player bumping. So broken right?

[Atoreis]

That's a stupid assertion. Windower lets you use more gear than you normally could in quick succession (Which is arguably the best feature any program can give you). Windower lets you access plugins that allows you to see other PT member's TP, see the duration of multiple spells (And don't give me bullshit about how you manually time the duration of all your buffs), automatically pass items so that you don't incidentally (Yes, incidentally, not accidentally) have full inventory when an item drops to you that you want, cancel, spellcast, precognition, blinkmenot, and autoexec. Windower lets you alias/bind processes. None of these are features available in game nor are they only letting you "control the game better." It's a ridiculous argument for you to maintain.

Let me guess the comeback: "But Windower by itself is fine! You can just not use those features!". Well guess what? You can be minimalist with Clipper too and just use GM features to avoid player bumping. So broken right?

Except none use clipper just for that and a LOT of ppl (like me) use Windower just for more advance macros and w/o plugins in which case it's only a better game control. Sure you can say windower is some % faster because I need to only click one macro instead of 2 for example but the same goes from manually searching for macro with pad and just clicling combination on keyboard. If you cheat at least admit it and don't try to search for some lol excuses. Btw I wrote" Saying clipper is less cheating than windower w/o plugins is just stupid." so idk how you even started with those plugins.

[Yugl]

Except none use clipper just for that and a LOT of ppl (like me) use Windower just for more advance macros and w/o plugins.

Lots of people use clipper for just that (Or that + JA0wait) and the proportion of people that use windower for just the bare bones is miniscule in comparison.