Mayweather / Ortiz setting boxing back 25 years.

[Reality]

How about you stop crying about who is hypothetically better and ask your daddy to stop ducking the fight so we can find out for real.

yeah let me call him on my cell phone, you call your midget congressman and tell him why everytime somebody asks him to fight floyd, he says "mmmm talk to me promoter, I'm just the fighter, I don't need Floyd"

fucking christ man, if you can't even be objective get the fuck outta this thread, tired of reading these shit posts

[Correction]

Ortiz brought a punk street move to a boxing match and Floyd ended it with a punk street move

"It's not a bitch move! It's a street punk move!"

if you can't even be objective get the fuck outta this thread, tired of reading these shit posts

See guys? Bitch moves and street punk moves are objectively different things!

[Deejay]

I'm trying to figure this out

People supporting Ortiz either say Floyd suckerpunched him (even though time was in, Ortiz wasn't paying attention, Floyd had his guard up), or it was a legal shot but Floyd shouldn't have done it "because he was winning the fight anyways"

The way I look at it, and I try to put myself in Floyd's shoes, I just got my motherfucking lip busted open by this child who was fighting dirty from RD1 all the way to RD4. Referee warned him once in RD3 about the rushing in with the head, but if you check youtube, and the first video I posted on page 2, Ortiz did this shit for the entire fight. Floyd didn't complain, he didn't bitch to Cortez until the 4th time. By the 4th time, now see.. you injured me, now my lip is fucking broken open and anybody who knows Boxing knows that a cut can open up, get worse and seriously affect the outcome of a fight

Ortiz and his camp planned for this shit coming in, nobody can tell me different, their plan was to bust floyd open and work on the cut, hoping for a stoppage on cuts.

Floyd is a smart fucking fighter, and he's street, dont get that twisted. He's rich as a motherfucker but he's street as shit. As much as you hate him, and I'm a Sox fan and I can't stand the dude's attitude but Floyd is like the AJ Pierzynski of boxing. Love him or hate him, he will take advantage of any rule, period. And if Floyd had ended the fight that way and Ortiz hadn't been pulling this shit since the start of the fight, I wouldn't have agreed with it at all

Point I'm making, I don't think Floyd did anything wrong because I believe he was in his rights to retaliate, because Ortiz brought a punk street move to a boxing match and Floyd ended it with a punk street move

Reality hitting us with that raw truth, ODB style

[tyven]

It's not the standard for boxing. Why isn't the standard 24 hours? Does the rest of boxing just not care about doping? Pac has agreed to 48 hours before, and he has a good point. He is already many pounds above his natural build, which really could put him at risk for fatigue after drawing blood. Why would 24 hours be needed above 48?

It was more about rules being set to make manny jump through hoops - a pride thing. Why should floyd get to set the rules, and make pac do things to his liking?

shit if boxing is like any other pro sport then most of them do dope which is prob a good enough reason for them to not make olympic style testing the standard. i want to know why fans have such a problem with it? you dont want your athletes performing clean?

[Hitoshura]

Ortiz put himself in that situation, he shouldn't have fucking let his guard down and hugged him after that scumbag headbutt. Damn moron.

[tyven]

and if manny did agree to testing up to 48 hours before the fight, did he also agree to randomized testing until then? i remember the randomness of the testing also being a problem for the congressman

[Reality]

"It's not a bitch move! It's a street punk move!"


See guys? Bitch moves and street punk moves are objectively different things!

Did you read my post? I said I wouldn't have agreed to it, on it's own merit, but when in retaliation, it's completely fair game.

Why don't you see that? Because you're a fucking hater I guess

I've been reading forums and ESPN and shit for the last 3 days and to be honest, lol, I think Floyd has more fans now than less, tons of people (believe it or not) are siding with him, which surprised me

[Demosthenes11]

Do any of you have logic?

"It's not a suckerpunch of ortiz started it!"
"If you don't like floyd, you are an ortiz supporter!"
"A guy setting up obstacles to a fight isn't ducking, he's just doing due diligence!"
"Pacman said no the first time, it doesn't matter if he has said yes for the last 18 months!"
"Floyd is undefeated, so he should be able to set whatever rules he wants! It's not ducking, it's his rights!"
"There have never been any evidence to show pac uses roids, but I'll continue to make unfounded claims!"

[Correction]

Did you read my post? I said I wouldn't have agreed to it, on it's own merit, but when in retaliation, it's completely fair game.

idgaf about either boxer, I just think you should get off your objectivity high horse.

[Reality]

idgaf about either boxer, I just think you should get off your objectivity high horse.

objectivity high horse, now i've seen it all

you god damn objective motherfucker, go suck floyds dick!

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[Demosthenes11]

and if manny did agree to testing up to 48 hours before the fight, did he also agree to randomized testing until then? i remember the randomness of the testing also being a problem for the congressman

I don't remember hearing that, but I'd love to read it if you have sauce.

And more niggas flocking to floyd's defense because they aren't understand what people are saying. Nobody (intelligent) is saying what floyd did was illegal. It was just a bitch move

[Correction]

objectivity high horse, now i've seen it all

you god damn objective motherfucker, go suck floyds dick!

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I'm saying your claims to objectivity are questionable at best. Reading is fundamental.

[tyven]

Do any of you have logic?

"It's not a suckerpunch of ortiz started it!"
"If you don't like floyd, you are an ortiz supporter!"
"A guy setting up obstacles to a fight isn't ducking, he's just doing due diligence!"
"Pacman said no the first time, it doesn't matter if he has said yes for the last 18 months!"
"Floyd is undefeated, so he should be able to set whatever rules he wants! It's not ducking, it's his rights!"
"There have never been any evidence to show pac uses roids, but I'll continue to make unfounded claims!"

come on, plow. you are better than this

[Reality]

Do any of you have logic?

"It's not a suckerpunch of ortiz started it!"
"If you don't like floyd, you are an ortiz supporter!"
"A guy setting up obstacles to a fight isn't ducking, he's just doing due diligence!"
"Pacman said no the first time, it doesn't matter if he has said yes for the last 18 months!"
"Floyd is undefeated, so he should be able to set whatever rules he wants! It's not ducking, it's his rights!"
"There have never been any evidence to show pac uses roids, but I'll continue to make unfounded claims!"

I think both Mayweather Promotions and Top Rank are avoiding the fight to be completely honest with you, but I've said that already in other threads here and on boxingscene and ESPN

I don't think either fighter is afraid of the other, they're fucking fighters, it's easy to sit at your computer saying a guy who punches other motherfuckers for a living is "afraid" but that shit isn't real talk, the fight hasn't happened because of boxing politics, and I don't take blame away from either side

[Demosthenes11]

pump your brakes. I will not be called plow

[Reality]

I'm saying your claims to objectivity are questionable at best. Reading is fundamental.

then point out what's questionable about my objectivity, don't dance around this shit like a little nancy bitch

tell me where I'm not objective

[archibaldcrane]

I don't care much about boxing, but that suckerpunch was awesome, hilarious, and made me like Mayweather more than my no-opinion of him prior. Fuck "being a gentleman" - this is a brutal sport, follow the rules, and whoop some ass.

[tyven]

and also, only in your crazy world, is asking for rigorous drug testing, that he asks for in EVERY fight, considered ducking. maybe if he faked an injury, or said there were other threats, or just plain didnt show up, it could be considered ducking. two sides to every coin players

floyd is willing to do it, pac is not. who is ducking who?

[Demosthenes11]

I think both Mayweather Promotions and Top Rank are avoiding the fight to be completely honest with you, but I've said that already in other threads here and on boxingscene and ESPN

I don't think either fighter is afraid of the other, they're fucking fighters, it's easy to sit at your computer saying a guy who punches other motherfuckers for a living is "afraid" but that shit isn't real talk, the fight hasn't happened because of boxing politics, and I don't take blame away from either side

This is actually fairly likely. But due to mayweather's personality and how he has carried himself, I give him no benefit of the doubt

[Demosthenes11]

and also, only in your crazy world, is asking for rigorous drug testing, that he asks for in EVERY fight, considered ducking. maybe if he faked an injury, or said there were other threats, or just plain didnt show up, it could be considered ducking. two sides to every coin players

floyd is willing to do it, pac is not. who is ducking who?

why isn't 48 hours good enough