army recruiting and the army(no im not going to join)

[Pirian]

God I hate hippies.

You children have fun, if you want to label some of my friends as being on the same level as a terrorist, you've officially stooped to a level where I'm not going. Get the fuck out of my country, etc.

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[Xno Kappa]

They don't need to give anybody ammo to be "trolled", Hirokei. They're paid to kill people. They're murderers. What's the difference between a soldier, a serial killer, and a terrorist? Ideals? Government sanction? What can I say, my friend? I don't hate soldiers, but I certainly pity them. They made a decision to enlist in the military, okay? They were paid to do a job. They do their job. They don't need to be glorified. I'm not saying we don't need Mr. Soldier, but they serve a purpose just like everyone else does, does anything else need to be said?

There are some soldiers who's sole job is wash and knit shit. They'll never see the light of combat like the rest of 92.9% of people in the military lol. They got a freaking Food Inspector job who my buddy has been in for 8+ years and hasn't done shit down-range---errrr deployed. Infantry is filled with a bunch of idiots who have no idea what they're getting into and get put out immediately faster then any other MOS in the military lol. Trust me, I'm the one who arrests/detains them.

Like I said, people watch too many movies and documentaries but please continue, this thread is hilarious with all the probably Specialist high rank people giving their retarded opinions while Google-Scholars give their counter-argument based on the latest search.

Trained assassins LMAO!

[shepardG]

hey,

do you live in america?
If so you pay your taxes i assume? so you do your part in helping "my employer" to murder also? I mean, you can spin this little discussion any which way you want but the bottom line is:

You have arrived at the conclusion that throughout the history of mankind, killing one another solves nothing, because give enough time, the same mistakes/reasons/causes will bring us around to killing one another again. This pisses you off, as well it should. Evolution doesn't go in circles, that's not "evolving". I get it. (inb4 "YOU DON'T KNOW ME MAN!")

Here's the thing that i think is bothering the shit out of the military folks in the thread, and why your attitude looks like a big pile of fail shit: See all us military folks, we were civilians once. We know what it's like to be protected by other folks, we sleep soundly in our beds, etc. But the difference, is that we've also been in the role of the guy who stays up at night to ensure that "Sound sleep" occurs. We've seen what that entails, and we understand the sacrifices that the military makes, either by selling their souls a little bit, or killing in the name of some supposed freedom. And we also know that one day, we'll be civilians again, and some other person will be making sure we sleep soundly again.

Should humanity ever need to make sacrifices and put ourselves into positions like this in the first place? No, in an ideal world militaries wouldn't be necessary, and having differences of ideas wouldn't made one bit.

But we don't live in an ideal world. We live in this world, in the same world where one man can influence a nation to slaughter 6million people because they enjoy reading/beliveing in a certain book. We live in a world where a guy can convince 27 dudes to leave their country and fly half way around the world to fly into buildings with stolen airplanes. We live in a world where greedy corporations can exploit fears to better themselves all the while leaving more people out to dry.

Am i proud of the united states military and it's people? you god damn right i am. Because more of us think this way, than you would probably imagine, and we still. fucking. do. what. we. do.

I'll ask you a question, are you familiar with the concept of the sheep dog, the sheep and the wolf?

[Xno Kappa]

I'm done trying to get my fellow military brethren from posting stupid shit to stupid people.

You have a fucking dude talking about trained assassins for shits and giggles about a 300K+ organization for fucks sake lmao.

[Elvis]

hey,

do you live in america?
If so you pay your taxes i assume? so you do your part in helping "my employer" to murder also? I mean, you can spin this little discussion any which way you want but the bottom line is:

You have arrived at the conclusion that throughout the history of mankind, killing one another solves nothing, because give enough time, the same mistakes/reasons/causes will bring us around to killing one another again. This pisses you off, as well it should. Evolution doesn't go in circles, that's not "evolving". I get it. (inb4 "YOU DON'T KNOW ME MAN!")

Here's the thing that i think is bothering the shit out of the military folks in the thread, and why your attitude looks like a big pile of fail shit: See all us military folks, we were civilians once. We know what it's like to be protected by other folks, we sleep soundly in our beds, etc. But the difference, is that we've also been in the role of the guy who stays up at night to ensure that "Sound sleep" occurs. We've seen what that entails, and we understand the sacrifices that the military makes, either by selling their souls a little bit, or killing in the name of some supposed freedom. And we also know that one day, we'll be civilians again, and some other person will be making sure we sleep soundly again.

Should humanity ever need to make sacrifices and put ourselves into positions like this in the first place? No, in an ideal world militaries wouldn't be necessary, and having differences of ideas wouldn't made one bit.

But we don't live in an ideal world. We live in this world, in the same world where one man can influence a nation to slaughter 6million people because they enjoy reading/beliveing in a certain book. We live in a world where a guy can convince 27 dudes to leave their country and fly half way around the world to fly into buildings with stolen airplanes. We live in a world where greedy corporations can exploit fears to better themselves all the while leaving more people out to dry.

Am i proud of the united states military and it's people? you god damn right i am. Because more of us think this way, than you would probably imagine, and we still. fucking. do. what. we. do.

I'll ask you a question, are you familiar with the concept of the sheep dog, the sheep and the wolf?

When the Chimera finally get to our galaxy, I'll be supportive of the military.

[notorious bum]

Thanks for my new wallpaper Hirokei.

Also, to add to the discussion: Private Contractors. Who are we kidding? JSOC and Xe are running the show on the ground, American infantry are just there to look pretty.

[hey]

You children have fun, if you want to label some of my friends as being on the same level as a terrorist, you've officially stooped to a level where I'm not going.

See, i can at least see the difference here. Terrorists are actively trying to hurt people. Soldiers are of course doing the exact same thing, however they do it for a different reason: because they think it'll help their country. It does count for something that they are trying to do good. Of course they are failing miserably, but the thought does count for something.

do you live in america?
If so you pay your taxes i assume? so you do your part in helping "my employer" to murder also?

No, i don't pay any federal taxes at all. The only taxes i pay are sales tax, and even then, i do most of my shopping online, avoiding that. Regardless, i object to your comparison. While yes, people who pay taxes are indeed supporting our wars, there is a difference between actively assisting by choice, and passively being forced to fund it.

We know what it's like to be protected by other folks, we sleep soundly in our beds, etc. But the difference, is that we've also been in the role of the guy who stays up at night to ensure that "Sound sleep" occurs.

See, I would sleep better knowing my country wasn't invading others, murdering 10k+ per year.

[Celeste]

God I hate hippies.

You children have fun, if you want to label some of my friends as being on the same level as a terrorist, you've officially stooped to a level where I'm not going. Get the fuck out of my country, etc.

It's not your country, Krandor. Get over yourself, haha. I'm neither sheep, wolf, or sheep dog. That's all bullshit. I won't argue that the military isn't necessary when others aren't playing nicely, but why do you expect me to call you a hero when you're no different from the people you're being paid to shoot when required? What separates you from a fucking terrorist, insurgent, or serial killer? Seriously? Throw me a bone.

There are some soldiers who's sole job is wash and knit shit.

I made note of that in a previous post, Hirokei Kiaza. I've also mentioned the relief efforts by the US Military following the Japanese earthquake & tsunami.

They'll never see the light of combat like the rest of 92.9% of people in the military lol.

Oh, so you are saying that 92.9% of the military does indeed see combat? Like, shooting others? Cool. Well..

They got a freaking Food Inspector job who my buddy has been in for 8+ years and hasn't done shit down-range---errrr deployed. Infantry is filled with a bunch of idiots who have no idea what they're getting into and get put out immediately faster then any other MOS in the military lol. Trust me, I'm the one who arrests/detains them.

Dang, fo sho my man! Dat be some phat ass job rite dere. Man, why 'des bitches be callin' u a murdera? not yo fault the phattist mofawka hiring rite now be da fokking us military, awwwwright. bro fist me mang, rite damn now.

Like I said, people watch too many movies and documentaries but please continue, this thread is hilarious with all the probably Specialist high rank people giving their retarded opinions while Google-Scholars give their counter-argument based on the latest search.

I have not once searched the Google for information! I am none of the above, what the f-

Trained assassins LMAO!

Well, LMAO, I guess 92.9% of y'all are, at the very least, amirite?

[Xno Kappa]

Oh, so you are saying that 92.9% of the military does indeed see combat? Like, shooting others? Cool. Well..
...
Well, LMAO, I guess 92.9% of y'all are, at the very least, amirite?

Rare footage of people owning and trolling themselves at the same time lol.

[Nephlite]

All im asking for is an effective solution to solving this puzzle without killing someone. Obviously the trollers of the military guys are experts in economic warfare and terrorism, so therefore they must have a clear and concise plan for dealing with war criminals and fixing the global economic crisis. Let's hear it. And i'll put "stop killing people" here to get it out of your systems. Now, give me the plan so I can start caring.

[Celeste]

Rare footage of people owning and trolling themselves at the same time lol.

I'm not entirely sure how I ended up trolling & owning myself. You said 92.9% of the military will see combat, whereas 7.1% will not. Ah, no, it seems as though I read that part of your post wrong. I got the two figures turned around. Not that big of a deal!

[Ashmada]

Here's the thing that i think is bothering the shit out of the military folks in the thread, and why your attitude looks like a big pile of fail shit: See all us military folks, we were civilians once. We know what it's like to be protected by other folks, we sleep soundly in our beds, etc. But the difference, is that we've also been in the role of the guy who stays up at night to ensure that "Sound sleep" occurs. We've seen what that entails, and we understand the sacrifices that the military makes, either by selling their souls a little bit, or killing in the name of some supposed freedom. And we also know that one day, we'll be civilians again, and some other person will be making sure we sleep soundly again.

Seriously, i hate people like you. Imagine this dipshit, if there is no military branch when 9/11 happened, you would be scared shitless worrying about if they gonna strike again. Instead you get to watch TV and see how president Bush react to the situation. Yes, we are a fuckers that give you that peace of mind. We are the ones that do all the dirty works while you get to speak whatever the fuck your want without the fear of repercussion.

Do you know how it felt to kill another humans being regardless of their intention? Let me break this to you, their images is forever tattoo in the back of my mind. It sucks, and i can not really get rid of it.

So the next time you spew out some retarded ass shit like fuck anyone who joined the army, fuck you. You may hate the reason we go to war, but appreciate the service members. We did all the dirty works so ignorants fuck like you can hide behind the monitor and typed out some stupid philosophy shits.

It's that kind of rhetoric (and grammar*) that gives people a bad opinion of the military.
Srsly, the vid is somewhere on page 2, IIRC, and yet people still sound like (less-educated) Jesseps.

Don't paint yourselves heroes, you might attract less animosity.


On the other hand, equating soldiers to murderers is misguided.
D'you guys always have to be so polarized about everything?


*if Iku is representative of the education the US army pays for, you're better off without it, guys.
(Celeste: you might want to change that 7.2% to a 7.1%.)

[hey]

On the other hand, equating soldiers to murderers is misguided.

Feel free to explain how someone who kills people isn't a murderer.

[Celeste]

On the other hand, equating soldiers to murderers is misguided.
D'you guys always have to be so polarized about everything?

Combat troops kill other people, don't they? What is their justification in grand scheme of things? I actually, and quite sadly, agree with the cliche comments of plenty of Muslims these days, does having government sanction permit you to come into their countries and kill them because your government gave you the green light? The entire affair in the Middle East for the past ten years has been playing into what Al-Quada wanted us to do in response to 9/11 in the first place. But that is another subject entirely. I have repeatedly asked for undeniable proof of the difference between a soldier, serial killer, or insurgent killing somebody. What separates the three? All three have ideals, no matter how twisted they may be, that they adhere to. The serial killer justifies their actions through delusion or some sort of deviance in thinking that makes them think it is okay. The insurgent fights for what they believe to be right, that the West is overindulgent and trying to destroy their culture and what have you, that we are heathens in the face of Islam and etc(Islamic fanaticism variety of insurgency). The soldier fights under the sanction of the United States federal government, and for "each other, their families, American values and ideals, and etc". What the fuck is the big difference that I am missing? Is killing not killing when you sugar coat it? I know plenty of soldiers are conflicted about this part of their job, but that's because they know what they're doing is wrong, no matter what reason they have to do it.

(Celeste: you might want to change that 7.2% to a 7.1%.)

Thanks for pointing that out for me. I certainly wouldn't want that nitpicked at too.

[Ashmada]

Killing is always an unpalatable thing, and I personally don't think I'd be able to take a life, even in self-defense.

But there are plenty of ways in which our ("our" as in "on both sides of the atlantic") courts can consider killing as "not murder". Self-defense, euthanasia, criminal negligence, "assault that resulted in death with no intention of giving it" (don't know if you guys have that) and so on.
Like it or not, intent does matter in our societies, as does initiation vs retaliation. (please spare me the obvious cliché, here)

[hey]

The courts judge based on law, not morality, so what they say is entirely irrelevant to this discussion.

[Celeste]

"assault that resulted in death with no intention of giving it"

What the FUCK? How do you attack someone, kill them as a result, and get a different sentencing than you would if you had the intent to kill them from the beginning? Murder is murder. And, just so you guys know, for any future posts that may reference this one: I do not believe that abortion is murder due to the fact that I do not believe developing fetuses have souls. Furthermore, the idea of souls is unpalatable to me. I also believe that there is no such thing as a soul. I believe killing is wrong because it denies the victim the ability to live their life, not because I'm afraid some sky being is going to come down and smite me.

So, hey, soldiers: It is my belief that there is no such thing as a soul, that there is no magical sky being that will scoop you up when you die and let you chill at his awesome pad for eternity because you acted in the name of your country, which sometimes seems like it acts in the name of "God". When you kill someone in the field, wanna know what I think you're doing? You're irrevocably ending somebody's life. They are dead. They have felt the ultimate terror and are gone now. I would apply the same comment to any terrorists on the forum, if there were any that I was aware of. This is what I believe.

[hey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_..._United_States

[Lucienne]

There is a difference between a military that serves to protect a country and a military that is aimed for offensive warfare. As long as the second part of the sentence applies, if you are a soldier, you do indeed in some way contribute to innocent people being killed, regardless of how good your intentions might have been, or even still are, in the first place, and really regardless of what position in the army you hold. Are you to blame for it though? I don't think so. Does it mean your job is useless and you do no good? I don't think so either.

Hey and Celeste, the way you portrait reality, any person could have at some point in their life contributed to someone innocent dying somewhere, in one way or another. Did you donate money to the starving children in Africa? Well, rest knowing at least one of them died because you didn't. Stupid logic, isn't it?

[hey]

Hey and Celeste, the way you portrait reality, any person could have at some point in their life contributed to someone innocent dying somewhere, in one way or another. Did you donate money to the starving children in Africa? Well, rest knowing at least one of them died because you didn't. Stupid logic, isn't it?

Yes, and it's not the same for a similar reason as paying taxes that fund murders isn't the same as being part of an organization that actively carries out murders, which i explained above.

I can't possibly save every starving child, but i can refuse to join an organization that profits by killing people.