New KCNM Fights

[Serqonion]

So I've done this fight a couple times. Both times were less than 10k memories. I suppose that the amount has to be at least over 10k. Anyway, to get the items at the end of the fight, are you supposed to kill the memory receptical? Do you just wait for the time to expire and leave it alone?

[Maurauc]

So I've done this fight a couple times. Both times were less than 10k memories. I suppose that the amount has to be at least over 10k. Anyway, to get the items at the end of the fight, are you supposed to kill the memory receptical? Do you just wait for the time to expire and leave it alone?

Get at least 10k memories, then take out the receptacle BEFORE time runs out. No reward if you time out, like normal BCNMs.

Also, RQT.

[Serqonion]

Thanks for the tip. What is RQT?

[nekura]

Random Question Thread.

[Serqonion]

I mean no offense, but how is that random? It's a question on the current subject of these new battles... And since, there's almost no information anywhere on the web about some of these battles, why limit the questions on the subject to something even more limited?

[Darkmagi]

I think this was an appropriate thread to post in, considering it was still on the front page and all. Also I don't believe 10k memories for promy V is enough always. I did this earlier without knowing what the fuck to do and got 10k, no rewards. Second run was fine with 15k though.

[pancakesandsex]

Does anyone know the "bonus memory" conditions for the Promy V fight (Empty Aspirations)? I assume it has something to do with the exploding Byrgen.

I know people have figured this out already but I havent seen the info posted anywhere. I've been in there all of once duo with a rdm and a mnk and here is what I noticed

Only the Gorger will aggro.
Killing the elementals grants a positive status effect. T3's seem to one shot the wanderers and elementals if you cast the element it's weak too (I was on rdm with a decent nuking set, BLM should have no problem) Thunder elemental gave potency. Killing earth elemental seemed to stop the movement of the rest of the group.
Gorger (1000 memories) seems to spawn every couple of minutes, respawns on the lesser mobs are faster.
Fell cleave is probably an option with -pdt and support. I diagaed a bunch for shits and giggles as we were running out of time and was able to survive fairly easily.

If anyone can post more info regarding this bcnm I would appreciate it.

[Byrthnoth]

The last time I tried it out on the test server, it appeared that I got a bonus set of points for every X monsters I killed. Also, the Gorger spawns babies that give you beneficial status effects if you kill them (including a big Firaga III that wipes everything out), so it may be better to hold them than immediately murder them.

[pancakesandsex]

The last time I tried it out on the test server, it appeared that I got a bonus set of points for every X monsters I killed. Also, the Gorger spawns babies that give you beneficial status effects if you kill them (including a big Firaga III that wipes everything out), so it may be better to hold them than immediately murder them.

I thought the firaga III was from the aby-altepa style byrgen that spawns at the entrance?

[pancakesandsex]

Hrmm I just realized something looking at the mob list. It looks like empty aspirations is likely employing the gimmicks for the 3 lesser spire fights all at once. I wonder that the gimmicks for the wanderer and seether ones are.

[Byrthnoth]

If you look earlier in this thread, I think you'll find some of them. Iirc, Tahrongi's involved monsters that appear randomly and you have to kill them when they spawn or you will die.

[pancakesandsex]

If you look earlier in this thread, I think you'll find some of them. Iirc, Tahrongi's involved monsters that appear randomly and you have to kill them when they spawn or you will die.

I found your info earlier, and those same byrgens are also in the Vahzl fight. That was the one I thought caused the Firaga III. It looks like the Vahzl fight is definitely the 3 other bcnms combined in some way, but I could not tell how the rules interacted with eachother. I'll try taking it with a group set up for the Dreams (farming the babies) and watching out for the Byrgen and see how it goes.

[pancakesandsex]

Some more information about the Vahzl fight. Minimum to win appears to be 15k memories, not 10k like the lesser prommies. Cleared it about 6 times last night.

"Kill the Byrgen in less than 1 minute" appears in red text whenever the Byrgen spawns on the north side of the battlefield. The other dual elementals do not have an associated message.

South and east give beneficial status INCLUDING TRANSCENDENCE (this may have been from the normal eles).
West give a message about the mobs being weakened.
North (byrgen) randomly firaga III's or binds everything so they stop moving.

The roaming elementals that appear (cant tell if its lotto spawn with the wanderers or not) also give buffs, bind all the mobs in the area, or explode. I think the buff is based on the element. I am pretty sure thunder eles always give potency for example.
The dark elemental will always explode, so if you see one, wait for repops then kill it for mass points.

The gorger seems to follow similar rules to the dreams bcnm and spawns babies that give buffs and explode.

Thinker and craver (does brain spike rarely) pop randomly, I usually see a craver at about 5-6 minute into the BC. Gorger babies have a really low chance to explode so I don't think it's really worth keeping them alive for baby spawns. Just murder them as fast as possible along with everything around it so you can potentially get some other boss pops. Thinkers have some kind of multiplier associated with them.

I have seen multiple thinkers back to back but only one up at any given time, craver and thinker can be up at the same time, not sure if gorger shares a spawn with either one. I feel like the bosses might be lotto spawn off the normal monsters corresponding to the mob mix in the lesser prommy BC.

Weeper - Gorger
Wanderers - Thinker
Seeether - Craver

Taking out the lesser mobs rapidly lead to more bosses appearing in all of my runs.

Be careful if you get transcendence because you can kill the orb before you intend to with a stray AoE.