Krye

[Krye]

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[Deejay]

When does Call to Arms end? I want to farm up my 5k Honor but my faggot gf wants to go to a birthday party

[Deejay]

God damnit Battle for Gilneas is my fave bg

[Krye]

Call to Arms ends midnight on Monday.

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[Deejay]

Hey Krye, I've been running with DW Frost but I can't seem to get it to work as well as I want to. I still lead damage charts with it but my damage output just doesn't seem all that great in comparison to 2 hand. I have a hard time making dents in healer's HP and I can never seem to finish people off as well as I do with 2 handers. I'm using all my runes on Howling Blast but they usually only hit for about 5-6k, and my FS crits at 10k if I'm lucky.

With 2 hand, I'm still getting those 6k HB's but my FS/Obliterates are going for 20k on cloth/leather and I have way more RP to deal with. I just feel like it's a lot easier to finish people off with 2 hand, but then I look around and every other DK I see is running DW.

I was playing arena's with DW the other day and we were running DW Frost/Feral/Pally. We had a hard time killing people off, even though I was doing well on damage. Most of our wins came when their healer just ran out of mana

[Deejay]

here's a link to my setup

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...eadpull/simple

[Krye]

Do you realize that DW damage shows as two numbers for frost strike? It shows a separate number for main hand and off hand damage. I use an add on called Miks Scrolling Battle Text to combine the numbers into one. With razor ice on your offhand weapon, frost strike should be hitting harder as DW.

[Krye]

Only four separate damage numbers will display at one time per enemy. So with razor ice, frost fever, auto attacks showing separately per weapon, and multiple frost strike numbers showing at once, it's rare that you'll actually see frost strike damage from both weapons without using an add on to display it.

[Krye]

I want to share something with you that I've been thinking about. You have extra hit as DW, so you can reach the hit cap while reforging every single piece of gear. With this in mind, if you buy the expertise neck and bracers, as well as leaving the shoulders unforged, you can reach the 20 expertise mark which is amazing for PVP. I think it would be better than a few percentage points of extra frost damage from mastery.

Anyways, I have to go to class, so I'll be back in like six hours.

[Deejay]

Hm, that sounds interesting. I'll download it and take a second look at my damage output. Another problem is keeping up my RP. Right now, I play 2 hand the want to play DW, which is stacking HB's/NS, and then dumping my RP on Frost strikes, and Oblit when they're near death.

Right now, I'll get a nice chunk of their life bar down via Frost strikes and then I won't have enough Runes or RP to get that final 15% when I need it. Shit's annoying sometimes bc HB just doesn't seem like it's enough to finish people.

[Alleya]

btw, I started owning even harder in BGs following Krye's handy advice. Went from 10-17 KBS and such to 25+. Just need to get lucky for some wrecking ball, fucking other team loves to swarm me when the KBs get high.

[Deejay]

Alleya, do you spec Oblit in dual wield? I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to drop it completely or not

[Alleya]

I'm 2h only because I got the 378 weapon asap.

[Deejay]

Word. I'm going to make a proper DW spec and see how it goes. I really am 50/50 on this at the moment

[Krye]

Hm, that sounds interesting. I'll download it and take a second look at my damage output. Another problem is keeping up my RP. Right now, I play 2 hand the want to play DW, which is stacking HB's/NS, and then dumping my RP on Frost strikes, and Oblit when they're near death.

Right now, I'll get a nice chunk of their life bar down via Frost strikes and then I won't have enough Runes or RP to get that final 15% when I need it. Shit's annoying sometimes bc HB just doesn't seem like it's enough to finish people.

You always want to use your runes before you use frost strike, unless your RP is capped or you have a killing machine proc. You can use Horn of Winter every 20 seconds for runic power. You can use blood tap to get another howling blast off(be careful to save blood tap if you might need to use strangulate). Empowered rune weapon gives 25 runic power and refreshes all your runes. Every time you use frost strike you have a 45% chance to refresh one of your runes. If you manage your runes and runic power well, you should be able to attack pretty much non-stop.

Here are some numbers for you.

iLevel 391 DW 14.2K Attack Power

DW Howling Blast with Horn of Winter, Fallen Crusader and Razorice stacked - 10800
DW Frost Strike with Horn of Winter, Fallen Crusader and Razorice stacked - Average 13K
DW Necrotic Strike with Horn of Winter, Fallen Crusader - 3K damage + 10K absorb

iLevel 378 2H 14K attack power

2H Howling Blast with Horn of Winter and Fallen Crusader - 9600
2H Frost Strike with Horn of Winter and Fallen Crusader - Average 11K
2H Necrotic Strike with Horn of Winter and Fallen Crusader - 5K damage + 10K absorb


Take into account that my 2H DK has the T1 weapon and my DW DK has the T2 swords, so the gap would be a bit smaller for you. But the real strength of DW is the +33% killing machine proc rate. Non-crit, all of your abilities generate roughly the same amount of pressure which is why you prioritize your rune abilities first. You always want to use howling blast runes before necrotic strike runes because they give you more runic power. The only ability that hits harder for 2H is necrotic strike, but it is also your only ability that is affected by armor, unless you're running an obliterate spec. I've crit 90K+ obliterates on the target dummy, but if you hit a PVP geared plate class it'll hit for about 5K and waste two runes to do so. Likewise, the physical damage portion of necrotic strike hits for 1-2K against players.

The reason I posted those numbers was to show you that DW does more base damage than 2H and has a much higher killing machine proc rate. I've posted this video before, but take 20 seconds to look again and see that I get killing machine procs all day every day. The only benefit to 2H is the extra runic power which you shouldn't need if you're managing your runes correctly.

[The Stig]

On 4.0 when I PvPed as Frost I use Obliterate but then I never PvPed on 4.2. seeing you do this sparked my flare to go try again now and copy what you're doing.

I noticed you put razorice offhand, I forgot where but I think on EJ it recommends you to put it on mainhand

Any reason why you got it the way it is? More Crusader procs?

I don't arena so I guess Season 9 371 and 359 weapons are the best I'm gonna reach.

[Krye]

On 4.0 when I PvPed as Frost I use Obliterate but then I never PvPed on 4.2. seeing you do this sparked my flare to go try again now and copy what you're doing.

I noticed you put razorice offhand, I forgot where but I think on EJ it recommends you to put it on mainhand

Any reason why you got it the way it is? More Crusader procs?

I don't arena so I guess Season 9 371 and 359 weapons are the best I'm gonna reach.

Razorice stacks up in like five seconds, but fallen crusader has a shitty proc rate so I put it on my mainhand to try to get as much uptime as possible.

It's so easy to get conquest points. Just ask in trade chat for random partners and get 8 wins a week to get your points capped. If you lose a lot your MMR will drop and it'll become even easier for you to get your points. 3 weeks of points and you can get your 2H weapon. 4 weeks and you can buy both 1H swords.

[Krye]

4 minutes of non-stop attacking

[Deejay]

Alright that's cool. I guess I'll stick with it then. I'm gonna pick up those expertise items as well.

[Krye]

Everything is a trade off, so don't blame me if you don't end up liking the playstyle I'm running. If you gear for 20 expertise you'll lose about 5% frost damage but gain 5% parry and 5% dodge reduction. If you run DW you'll do more damage, but you'll also break CC like blind or polymorph with howling blast. If you run 2H you'll generate more pressure from absorbs and have the option of holding off on aoe attacks.