Tanaka Rage!

[NynJa]

k this guy is retarded......

[mallister]

1. 2. C. you heard it here, folks.

[Byrthnoth]

Most people probably aren't willing to climb the same hypocritical "not botting but in a botting shell" mountain that you climbed, and even if they did, there are things called jobs that tend to interfere with claim windows.

[Gredival]

1. 2. C. you heard it here, folks.

It's called formal logic.

Premises are numbered, the conclusion is denoted with a C.

Most people probably aren't willing to climb the same hypocritical "not botting but in a botting shell" mountain that you climbed, and even if they did, there are things called jobs that tend to interfere with claim windows.

Once again, there are still times where you could camp, unless your job is literally 24/7.

If you want the gear, go do it. It's that simple. Shit shouldn't be dumbed down or changed. Your subscription does not entitle you to content reward. The choice to do content is your own.

If you aren't willing to do what it takes to clear the content, within fair play of course, then you don't deserve the reward.

[mallister]

i dunno sport, from the things you've posted here, formal logic doesn't exactly seem to be your strong suit.

[mallister]

If you aren't willing to do what it takes to clear the content, within fair play of course, then you don't deserve the reward.

wait, wut

[Gredival]

Unfortunately you generally need some basic critical reading skills to follow the nuances of logic. I'm sorry if any of this is going over your head.

Fair play as in botting? I don't expect a person to be obligated to do ANYTHING, like say bot, in order to get their gear. If they are willing to join an HNMLS and camp they deserve gear even if they refuse to bot.

[Manf]

I was willing to just accept that you had a differing opinion at first, but first off your analogies are not apt at all because you're setting the terms. Especially the book one, which is completely subjective. The Iliad is nothing special; Twilight is nothing special;FFXI was nothing special.

Furthermore, you completely lost me here:

Pre-Abyssea, fully gearing a job was an endeavor. You wanted 3 years of goals to accomplish? Level WAR and go get your Berk and Ridill.

lol
Stating this as if it is not a HUMUNGOUS NEGATIVE (as it should be) is simply ridiculous and hilarious.

[Gredival]

Especially the book one, which is completely subjective. The iliad is nothing special, twilight is nothing special.

I was attempting to avoid the cliche example of "Slavery was once popular and deemed correct by the majority, does that mean it was right?"

[mallister]

the quote in your sig makes you look even more like a tool. and i think i'll stop feeding the, well, i don't really wanna call Gredival a troll, because i think he actually believes his own bs, but yeah, um, this isn't going anywhere.

[Byrthnoth]

So:
Kings (botting, etc.) was once popular and deemed correct by the majority, does that mean it was right?

amidoinitrite?

People who did kings with good bots for years still begged for changes to the system. The system was stupid, and you're stupid for thinking it matters still. You're also stupid for a number of other reasons.

[Churchill]

I love the people in my shell who do/have in the past claimed to "not bot" and be "proud of it" while all the shit they have/had on was because of bots.

[NynJa]

Once again, there are still times where you could camp, unless your job is literally 24/7.

Presuming you're an average joe with an average job...
wake up 7am, shower, freshen up, get to work by 9, work till 5, get home by 6, warm up microwave dinner and camp KB for 2 hours (8pm), move and camp faf for 2 hours (10 pm), move camp and camp aspi for 2 hours (midnight)...leaves 7 hours to xp / merit...
but where do you sleep? And do you really want to be a monotonous loser whos 24 hour cycle is pre-arranged to follow a fucking video game? Wait, what do you do when kings are at night, or...omg...durring your working hours? USE THEM SICK DAYS

[dasva]

Once again, there are still times where you could camp, unless your job is literally 24/7.

Not even close to true. You just had to work when the window was open and/or work so much that you litterally got home ate some food maybe got a shower before going to bed then getting up got ready and gone back to work. And yes I've done that and before you go get less sleep sometimes it was so little time allowed for sleep it was barely bigger than the pop window itself. So even assuming I just logged/afked there and the window happened to be during that time and I had an ls that would let me join in with them right then and then actually let me lot those few times I could get in I still couldn't because I kinda liked keeping my job.

And before you question yes I have worked 14-20 hours a day for 7 days or once for a month solid. And no there wasn't awesome overtime and it wasn't my choice

[Byrthnoth]

And how do you control the time things pop so that your points are shit compared to the jobless wonders when something you want drops?

[Koyangi]

That's also assuming those windows were nicely placed so he could camp them and the windows not occur while you're at work.

[Neisan]

Clearly he has a breezy job and plays at work.

[mallister]

hey i had friends log me on to claim more than once when i was at work. DEDICATED, baby. can i get my junior G-man badge and ebody now?

[NynJa]

I edited my post accordingly :D

[dasva]

I dont want to put words in someones mouth, but I'd say someone who doesnt play ffxi offering insight on why the game sucks and what would make the game better...basically everything he posted in here was pretty grade A trolling.

I would go even farther and say clearly SE disagrees with his views on how the game should be and be played