Poll- Heavy Metal

[TacoTaru]

Just noticed that the harp literally gets 0 upgrades going to 95. I guess it's probably longer song duration for 1500 plates? loool

[chichicha]

If Empry goes to 150
Does that mean ToA weapons dropped 10 times of all the requirement?!
10 times lesser Alex, 10 times lesser point to get the items from Einhenjar, N. Isle and no need to repeat all assaults missions.

I would love to get PUP's and PLD's!!

[NynJa]

I'd say 300 considering how easy empyrians have been. 1500 is way beyond ridiculous...500 being ridiculous.

I'm sure most people here saying 150 are saying 150 only cause its the lowest number. if there had been a lower number, they'd go for that.

[dasva]

I personally would say lower. But then I get laughed at when I offer 100k for 1 and only ones I've seen were like 200k... and I wouldn't call this upgrade anywhere near 30+ mil (let alone the 300mil). And I expect it might even go higher

As far as if they lower the requirements for this should they lower the requirements for mythic weapons... sure lower the lvl 95 stage requirements on them too . But trying to compare this this stage of empyreans marginal upgrade and the stage that makes mythics what they are is a stretch to say the least

[Byrthnoth]

I said 150 because I feel fairly confident that Heavy Metal price would rise to about 1mil each if they lowered the requirement to 150. Supply might equal demand at the price, instead of supply equaling a demand that gimped because the requirement looks impossible to complete.

[Jem]

500. Admittedly slightly biased due to the huge kick in the balls Empy's are to Relics.

[6souls]

Tell me what idiots you are selling Mirrors to for 50k a pop. Shit sits in my bazaar for 10k for days on end.

Sold for me @ 15k in under an hour. Most others on Quetz are attempting to sell them from 50-200k.

150 is an ideal number, but 300 is also reasonable, but only if the drop rate is increased or another source is added.

[Taint]

It depends on what 95 really gets you, if its the base damage and +2 stats then 300-500 seems reasonable. It its some OMG AM effect then the number could be higher. I know people with 50+ plates and they aren't even part of the JP groups that are spamming Zilart for pouches. 150 would be too low IMO.

[Slycer]

I just want to say, the fact that anyone is voting "1500 (fine the way it is)" kind of supports SE's decision. I'm sure they picked the number with at least a 90% attrition rate in mind in terms of the number of people who will actually complete the 90 to 95 upgrade. So if like 5-10% of people are saying it's fine the way it is, SE would probably be happy, sad to say, because they would have only expected that small percentage to complete the upgrade anyway. Sucks, but that's that. People are buying plates at 200k a piece. I don't know why people are OK with spending 300 million on this upgrade, but they are.

[NynJa]

Sucks, but that's that. People are buying plates at 200k a piece. I don't know why people are OK with spending 300 million on this upgrade, but they are.

Should just rmt the gil haha

[Taint]

I just want to say, the fact that anyone is voting "1500 (fine the way it is)" kind of supports SE's decision. I'm sure they picked the number with at least a 90% attrition rate in mind in terms of the number of people who will actually complete the 90 to 95 upgrade. So if like 5-10% of people are saying it's fine the way it is, SE would probably be happy, sad to say, because they would have only expected that small percentage to complete the upgrade anyway. Sucks, but that's that. People are buying plates at 200k a piece. I don't know why people are OK with spending 300 million on this upgrade, but they are.

Personally I like the idea of slowing down the Emp process. I was working on my 4th and 5th emp and decided to stop after learning of the 95 upgrade. While 1500 seems a bit much it will make 95+ exclusive, and people will once again have to pick an emp instead of having 4-10 of them.

[Spicyryan]

I think the number is completely fine as long as they raised the double damage rate on the aftermath. Pouches are an extremely common drop off of Zilart T3s and if a linkshell is working specifically to get somebody's weapon upgraded then it shouldn't take very long at all.

Also, not trolling SNK lol

So the people who soloed, duoed, trioed, or used shout groups for their weapon(s) are shit out of luck because they don't have or don't want a LS?

You don't suddenly scale up the difficulty of something like this it just doesn't make sense.

[Byrthnoth]

I am okay with this being a long term goal, and suspect that the next tier of Voidwatch will drop Heavy Metal/Pouches off low tier NMs, which will dramatically increase supply.

For instance:
Hahava/Celaeno/Voidwrought - Silver Mirrors
Jeuno/Zilart Tier 1~2 - Silver Mirrors
Jeuno Tier 3 - Heavy Metal
Zilart Tier 3 - Heavy Metal/Pouches

??? Tier 1~2 - Heavy Metal/Pouches
??? Tier 3 - 99 upgrade item/pouches of it, etc.

I think that the supply could dramatically increase with the 99 update, only to be replaced by an equally immobile roadblock. My largest fear is that people will stop doing the Heavy Metal Voidwatch NMs and supply will evaporate. The gear on these NMs is good, but it isn't mindblowingly awesome. It could easily be replaced and less desirable by 99, especially the weapons off Zilart Tier 3s.

[Taint]

So the people who soloed, duoed, trioed, or used shout groups for their weapon(s) are shit out of luck because they don't have or don't want a LS?

You don't suddenly scale up the difficulty of something like this it just doesn't make sense.

So if it was 150 plates what would your plan be? You can't get a single plate without at minimum a full pty and more then likely 12+.

[TacoTaru]

So the people who soloed, duoed, trioed, or used shout groups for their weapon(s) are shit out of luck because they don't have or don't want a LS?

You don't suddenly scale up the difficulty of something like this it just doesn't make sense.

Yes they are. People could buy all the money for relics, but couldn't get the rest of it done without an LS, same with Mythic and Alexandrite. It's an MMO, if people don't want to be social and play together, then too bad. At least you can still get the 95 stage without ever setting foot in Voidwatch, you just can't do it in an afternoon (right now at least). I think it's fine as it, but if it stays at 1500, the drop rate should be a lot higher. If they want to keep it the drop rate the same then 150~300 is much more reasonable, but I don't think there should be a single thought going into how much is needed because "people soloed, duoed, or trioed" them.

[Slycer]

Personally I like the idea of slowing down the Emp process. I was working on my 4th and 5th emp and decided to stop after learning of the 95 upgrade. While 1500 seems a bit much it will make 95+ exclusive, and people will once again have to pick an emp instead of having 4-10 of them.

My point was that the majority of people (who have 1-2 Emp weapons, and not 4-10) will be choosing whether or not to upgrade, not which weapon to upgrade. And within that group, the majority of them will choose not to upgrade because of the relative difficulty of obtaining the plates, and the high value they could get by selling them.

I like the number of plates (perhaps 1500 is a little lofty and 1000 would be better, but that's neither here nor there), and I like Voidwatch. The drop rate leaves something to be desired, but as I suggested in a few different forums here, and as Byrth said above, I think that this will be amended in the next updates of Voidwatch with more NMs dropping heavy metal plates and pouches. As of right now it seems like a difficult goal to reach, but as I said earlier, level 80 Empyrean weapons also seemed like extremely difficult trials for just a DMG upgrade when Visions of Abyssea was first released.

[Churchill]

It's also sort of silly to be sitting around with 5 unfinished weapons because of an asinine requirement. I started working on a relic because it was easier.

Edit: Especially given the fact that SE has made them nearly a requirement for a job to be useful.

[Toth]

I say 150 due to the very high demand for the upgrades. That way even if your ls gets lucky with say 20-30 off a tier 3, you would still need 6-8 runs to complete just one.

[Cream Soda]

75!~

50
50
75
75

Last stage would be x100

[Mahoro]

So the people who soloed, duoed, trioed, or used shout groups for their weapon(s) are shit out of luck because they don't have or don't want a LS?

Yes. For the reasons Taco said.

(Psst, you can do Voidwatch with a shout group.)