Poll- Heavy Metal

[Slycer]

is 10-30 plates/kill an average expected outcome? i haven't done a lot of VW yet but from what i've read so far that's not exactly what folks are seeing drop. 10-30/kill would make it 150-50 fights per weapon which wouldn't be too horrid aside from the whole needing an ally to do so problem.

No, I'd say average is 10-15/kill on Zilart T3. Slightly over one pouch per kill is probably average for a full alliance (maybe 1.2-1.5 per kill, haven't done enough fights yet to really know, something like 15 T3s total so far). Average per pouch is 9 if all possibilities are equal chance (range is 3-15, not 5-15). Maybe in the 6-8 range per kill on Jeuno T3 since those are just singles. But your randomness is way higher on Zilart since one extra pouch (or one fewer pouch) changes the number dramatically, so with Zilart it's probably fairly common to see anywhere from 0 all the way up to 30 on any given fight (with 0 being more common than 30, of course), whereas in Jeuno you're going to pretty consistently see 6-8.

[Septimus]

no, not having them exclusive makes them even easier to get >_> that way that they can be shared with LS mates that actually want to upgrade their weapons all while looking for people selling them

OK then. Nerf the drop rate of Pouches to once in a blue moon like gear, make plates and pouches EX, drop it to 150. Better?

[Colenzo]

nope

[Septimus]

Because it would be too easy, or because you wouldn't get to make money off of content that up until a few days ago you were insisting that everyone should be forced to do?

[mallister]

biggest problem then (for me at least) goes back to needing an ally to do VW properly. 150 fights isn't too horrid, depending on the buffs/ (or lack thereof) on the 95 aftermath/ws could be worthwhile. if it's really not just a few base damage on the weapon/stat, since there's no way to tell.

[Septimus]

biggest problem then (for me at least) goes back to needing an ally to do VW properly. 150 fights isn't too horrid, depending on the buffs/ (or lack thereof) on the 95 aftermath/ws could be worthwhile. if it's really not just a few base damage on the weapon/stat, since there's no way to tell.

This is why I would rather that the plates be exclusive, I prefer sweat equity over just buying shit. If you want something badly enough you should have to go out and work to get it, because you know that people are going to RMT up a bunch of plates. This just feels like an engraved invitation to bring gil farmers back into the game.

[Lordender]

Because it would be too easy, or because you wouldn't get to make money off of content that up until a few days ago you were insisting that everyone should be forced to do?

Can't look cool chilling in Port Jeuno afk with your 95 emp after 6 months of farming if everyone else has it, you know how it goes.

"Hi, i'm a masochist, I like like to show off all my 'hard work' when I just spammed the same event for months and months and months! totally challenging!"

[Colenzo]

Because it would be too easy, or because you wouldn't get to make money off of content that up until a few days ago you were insisting that everyone should be forced to do?

When metal plates level out in price they are going to be about the same price as ancient beast coins. I think people are getting a little bit too caught up with thinking of upgraded a bunch of empyreans to 95 and getting their feelings hurt in the process. 10k per isn't that bad.

Can't look cool chilling in Port Jeuno afk with your 95 emp after 6 months of farming if everyone else has it, you know how it goes.

"Hi, i'm a masochist, I like like to show off all my 'hard work' when I just spammed the same event for months and months and months! totally challenging!"

people have been doing this for years, welcome to ffxi

[TacoTaru]

when metal plates level out in price they are going to be about the same price as ancient beast coins lol

ABCs now or when Limbus first released? Because with the amount of Empyreans in place, I can't imagine these being under 500k anytime soon unless there's a trick to getting more to drop or an alternative source is give, and 500k seems low.

[Churchill]

Except that's months from now when they either: a) increase the drop rate/add additional ways of obtaining or b) lower the requirements

One of those two things is going to happen in the future, likely around the same time Lv.99 trials come out. Anyone who has played this game for more than 2 years knows this and it is painfully obvious what their intentions are. If they never changed the trial OR they changed it right now I'd be fine with it because at least they had some conviction in their insanity/could be reasoned with.

As it stands it's nothing more than a timesink until their next brilliant update.

[Colenzo]

even if they were 30k a pop it would sill be a reasonable price in the economy today where its easier than dog dicks to make money

[Kalasin]

ABCs now or when Limbus first released? Because with the amount of Empyreans in place, I can't imagine these being under 500k anytime soon unless there's a trick to getting more to drop or an alternative source is give, and 500k seems low.

Plates are 100-150k on Valefor right now. They were 500k for about 2 days, and I expect the price to drop even more in the near future, simply because the majority of the people with Emps can't even afford 100 of them at that price, and doesn't have a VW group to get a start in.

[TacoTaru]

Oh hah, well I stand corrected then. I didn't think there was any chance they would be that low.

[dasva]

I still don't see spending that kind of change on such a small upgrade. Not with how much that kind of gil can get you

[Mojo]

ITT: People that don't know shit about T3 Zilart VW.

You can get anywhere from 10-30+ plates off a t3 VW and you guys think 1500 plates is unfair. Go kill Uptala and tell me how hard that guy is and tell me if you still think 1500 is unfair. The fight takes all of like ... 15 minutes if that.

1. Suggests a probably unrealistically high average, as pointed out.
2. Assuming all plates go to one person. Out of the players doing Voidwatch, what percentage do you think have Empyrean?

Even if you go with an average of 20 plates per run (which, I'm guessing means you're bring at least 12 people), you're getting 1.66 plates per person per fight? So 900 of the same fight to finish one 95 Empyrean for everybody?

[dasva]

Oh and another note someone was saying how you need groups and lots of time to do relics but pretty sure Ato and ragni Duod anni in like 2 months. Granted they have a couple of accounts but you get the point. While doing this could take just as long with a full alliance. Even more so when you look at the other trials for relics compared to empyrean... relic trials can feasibly all be done in one day and for the most part don't even require you to get help really. And given the supposed increase in ODD rate often might be better than empyrean

[Mojo]

When metal plates level out in price they are going to be about the same price as ancient beast coins. I think people are getting a little bit too caught up with thinking of upgraded a bunch of empyreans to 95 and getting their feelings hurt in the process. 10k per isn't that bad.

The most unrealistically hopeful assessment of metal plates yet. Brutal Earring - 75, Loquacious Earring - 75, and then 15~25 or whatever for the misc. and rarely useful AF upgrades. So a few hundred ABCs, at most, per player. There are a plethora of people out there with like 5+ empyrean sitting around. Each one of them requires 1500 plates. I don't see them ever falling below 100K.

[Colenzo]

The only real restriction that I can see is the fact that you would have people dumping a shitload of voiddust.

[jimbobsonofgod]

I was actually the first to put 1500 was reasonable. Then again I would have done 50,000 alex too.

[Ocara]

How about the time of every alliance member? Few people are going to want to sit there and spam VW for 8 hours all night, and as time goes on people are going to have to leave, reducing your effeciency/procs/drops/plate chances.

I still can't believe you're assuming everyone can make a good ls that not only could clear mobs with procs efficiently, but have the selflessness to pool drops to one person in a game where most people get what they want and leave.