Poll- Heavy Metal

[Kalasin]

I think so, but it's been a while ago so I don't remember what they said exactly. Something about trying to balance things out before doing it, so maybe the difficulty in obtaining emps(or the time spent) is that "balance" they were talking about, who knows.

[Sho]

Oh really? The way I've seen the past relic upgrades is that all of those were prep. upgrades, and that the main one is coming still. We got more damage along with more accuracy/attack, a WS boost, and a hidden damage proc boost. What exactly is left now to upgrade that makes the old relics unique? Nothing. They didn't upgrade everything a little each upgrade either, but every upgrade only one single thing. Makes one think that something new is coming at 99.

Doesn't seem so obvious to me.

So you are saying SE made it so high for the simple fact that they want to troll everyone on Emps? Wouldn't put it past them. At the same time no one has a recored 95 Emp yet so there's no information at all stating that they have any hidden effects if at all. There could always be something coming however, be it an easy upgrade to 99 or a powerful but more extreme upgrade to 99 .

[Darkmagi]

I think so, but it's been a while ago so I don't remember what they said exactly. Something about trying to balance things out before doing it, so maybe the difficulty in obtaining emps(or the time spent) is that "balance" they were talking about, who knows.

I just remember a few people bringing up some dev interview saying that they would be revamping relics, but it wouldn't be possible until 99. I don't remember seeing the source of said interview though. If anyone has, would love to see.

[Jem]

Relics aren't as far behind as people would have you believe anyway. Like last night in Dyna Xarc I did 31.32% on Apoc DRK/NIN, the Vere MNK/NIN did 24.8% and the Kannagi NIN/WAR 21.11%. Vere MNK is maybe sold 1.5% ish short as they were missing for 5 mins ish. Parse also favors the Kannagi as he was the person running it. NIN sub because I dunno why, we just did as we were told.

Not saying Relics > Empy's because I know that's not the case. On tougher mobs it would favor Empy's (We did DC-EM Demons + Pop NM's + DL) and the Vere gets more from WAR sub than I would from SAM or WAR sub. But the way some people talk you would think Relics are absolute garbage and don't come anywhere near Empy's when that just isn't true.

[shamusde]

Would have been nice to see a branching path for 95emps, similar to the split off for empy/woe paths, that would allow people to still work on progressing their weapon(s), beyond taking it down the narrow. As it stands, majority of the empy weapons created are going to stay at 90.

300~500 objectives sounds more reasonable. Include 100% pouch/plate drops that tie into upgrading stratums and expending voidstones if your going to keep it at 1500.

[Arkanna]

Anyone thinking the Emps will end up with a hidden stat or something at 95/99 are really grasping at straws. They never do that shit, especially now that old FFXI is coming back strong. The 1500 plate req. is a factor in why I finally quit (won't blame it entirely on that as I was all but gone anyway, but it was certainly the final nail in the coffin for me).

That said, I responded "300" because Leonidas is a pimp, and because 150 "feels" right but the plates are sellable, so I went one level higher.

[macross]

Killed 7 more t3's today, got a whopping 2 more plates;; They had better adjust it soon!

[Mojo]

If the dev team is returning to the old ways, then it won't be fixed for maybe a year, and definitely not before they insert something else that pisses a lot of people off that will eventually be patched.

[Not Kuno]

The problem with the plates, aside from it being so freaking many, is the upgrade you get isn't worth the ungodly price tag. Relic and Mythic's price tag might of been worth it since that is the cost of getting the item in the first place, but such a huge price tag for no real upgrade just doesn't make sense at all. I think I have a bigger problem with that, rather than anything else. Well, the 1500 metal plates is completely retarded as well.

[Mairja]

Had to do 30+ T3 fights before I finally saw a pouch. Had 6 plates in it, and I got 2 singles aswell last night. Selling them. A total of 9 plates every 35ish fight is not very encouraging.

[Hirronimus]

It's a bit too late to complain about it at this stage, but nonetheless. Empyreans aren't balanced among them selves to begin with. The pop item requirement for some NM is widely over excessive in comparison to others (i.e. Glavoid vs Fistule or Dragua vs Orthus) unlike Lv.95 stage. I'm not saying I'm comfortable with having to get a ridiculous amount of Heavy Plates items just to get more base DMG and few more STR on my GAX, but at least it's all even across the board for every weapon. Ideally it should have always been 1-2 KI for Lv.80, 2-3 KIs for Lv.85 and 3-4 KIs for Lv.90. The progressing of difficulty should always scale up instead of going down like it did with Hand-to-Hand.

/rant off

[Taint]

Had to do 30+ T3 fights before I finally saw a pouch. Had 6 plates in it, and I got 2 singles aswell last night. Selling them. A total of 9 plates every 35ish fight is not very encouraging.

Yeah the more I do VW the more 1500 seems like a pipe dream. Hell 150 could take months and months. I almost feel like I'm wasting my time with VW when I could be farming another Relic or 3.

[Draylo]

Apparently its been done on my server as posted in Random Fail thread. I guess you just have to spam spam spam every minute of the day and buy all the things.

[Eeeks]

Anyone thinking the Emps will end up with a hidden stat or something at 95/99 are really grasping at straws. They never do that shit, especially now that old FFXI is coming back strong. The 1500 plate req. is a factor in why I finally quit (won't blame it entirely on that as I was all but gone anyway, but it was certainly the final nail in the coffin for me).

This sums up how I feel about it and my account was deactivated in July.

I've found a new job since then, but after skimming recent job/update notes, I'm in no rush to reactivate my cat (if ever). It appears Tanaka's paying attention to FFXI again and is giddy to slit its throat once and for all. The post-Abyssea era looks depressing, and as it stands, I'm enjoying a decent f2p hack-and-slash MMOish game that I'm playing with some friends from an old social LS. I miss FFXI - both the people and the game world - but I don't miss it enough to eagerly jump aboard a sinking ship with an insane captain at the helm. I guess it all depends on what the next 1-2 updates look like...

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah the more I do VW the more 1500 seems like a pipe dream. Hell 150 could take months and months. I almost feel like I'm wasting my time with VW when I could be farming another Relic or 3.

This last weekend was a huge supply surge for them. I got over 100 mostly just buying them (2 dropped to me out of 5 NMs). I bet I can continue to pull in about ~100 per week, so I should finish in 13 weeks assuming no JP rises to my challenge.

[Draylo]

How much are you buying them for?

[Byrthnoth]

200k each was the price I set, but I'm considering lowering it. I expect there are going to be huge supply surges on the weekend though, so I'm trying to gauge it. This is the only thing I'm really working on in game, so it's not like I'm trying to save my gil for something.

[Taint]

200k each was the price I set, but I'm considering lowering it. I expect there are going to be huge supply surges on the weekend though, so I'm trying to gauge it. This is the only thing I'm really working on in game, so it's not like I'm trying to save my gil for something.

300mil though.

Just saw the 95 Almace, I knew it would be October that the JPs would start finishing but didn't think it would be this early in the month!

[Skeelo]

they are down to about 100k on odin atm, but still cant see myself paying that much. Might as well just make a relic and hope they get something dope at 99.

[Byrthnoth]

300mil though.

Just saw the 95 Almace, I knew it would be October that the JPs would start finishing but didn't think it would be this early in the month!

Well shit, if I can get it down to 100k each, I might just take a break from buying. It is 300mil, but what else is there to spend gil on? Food doesn't cost much, I'm already sitting on 30k Alexandrite, and Dancer can't wear any relics. At 2mil per run, I was expecting it to take 150 days. If I can do it in less than that, then that'll be cool.

I don't know what the shit I'm going to do in about 6 months when I totally run out of reasons to make gil and/or login, haha. Hopefully the 99 patch is cool.