2011-2012 NHL Season Thread: FUCK COREY PERRY

[Sepukku]

Im going to go on record as saying that, while I missed the first 10 minutes, I bounded to the TV to catch the 2nd half of the 1st period after reading early reports here and the rest of the game for PHI-TB and I am absolutely disgusted by what I saw. Mike Milburry rarely hits it out of the park, but that was an abomination and a complete slap in the face to the sport of hockey and Milburry was right when he called it as such. Anyone who cares about the advancement of the game should be upset with that 1st period and largely the game as a whole. Pronger possessed the puck around the 5 minute remaining part of the 1st period for 50+ seconds followed shortly there after by Timmonen with another 30+ second posession in his own end - and I didn't even see the 1st half of the 1st period.

I feel had the refs not given Philly PP after PP to start the 2nd (quite possibly phoned in by the NHL - just a feeling) to get a goal and break open scoring, that could've gone on all game for all we know. The game went to OT and even with extra time, neither team broke 25 shots (24 for TB, 15 for Philly) - and most of those shots came on the PP. Fans who payed to attend the game should feel unhappy about the quality of play (although Im sure the TB attendees were smiling nonetheless in the end), fans who payed to watch the game via Gamecenter should feel slighted, former players should (and do seem to) feel slighted, journalists should feel slighted, and Gary Bettman should feel slighted. No one watching that 1st period walked away thinking or hoping that that type of debacle proliferates at all. The NHL should be capitalizing on the NBA lockout - and doing shit like PHI-TB just did is the completely wrong way to attempt to do that.

[Flarega]

We're just still in the process of warming up our engines. Do you guys have any ideas how long it takes to prep a fighter jet for take off?

Spoiler: show

You guys are more like one of these:

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/july...ne_crash_2.jpg

And with Wellwood and Byufglien in there, we all know you can't soar very high.

[Deader2818]

As long as you win, players don't give a shit how boring it is. The neutral zone trap as been around for ever. The Flyers shouldn't have just sat around and did nothing.

And if the NHL told the refs to start calling penlites to stop tampa from what they were doing, we have much bigger problems then what tampa was doing.

[bluefan]

You guys are more like one of these:

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/july...ne_crash_2.jpg

And with Wellwood and Byufglien in there, we all know you can't soar very high.

I won't deny that.

But hey, with all things considered (injuries, scheduling etc...), 8 outta 14 on that trip wasn't that bad.

Not my turn for the game tomorrow, but I'll be there for the Bolts one. It's going to be rocking, cause our guys aren't pussies like the Flyers and just hang in our zone.

[Sepukku]

As long as you win, players don't give a shit how boring it is. The neutral zone trap as been around for ever. The Flyers shouldn't have just sat around and did nothing.

And if the NHL told the refs to start calling penlites to stop tampa from what they were doing, we have much bigger problems then what tampa was doing.

Im not picking sides, I feel both sides were dumbfucks. Its like being in the middle politically and watching stubborn dumbfuck hardcore republicans refuse to budge no less than stubborn dumbfuck hardcore democrats refuse to budge. NHL should alter the rules to prevent that extreme of a trap and that pathetic delay of game that wasn't a delay of game by Philly. Its not about what the players want to do "in order to win." Its about putting the most enjoyable product possible out there for fans, because, after all, our ticket and merchandise purchases - coupled with advertisement revenue that only exists because fans exist that companies want to reach - pay for the players salary. Flarega said it bordered on unwatchable, and I felt the same. Most people also seemed to be thinking along those lines as well. It was interesting and noteworthy to watch once because it was unusual, but what if this became a frequent occurence? Is that what you would want hockey to become? Again? Would that keep fans that are less devoted than us? Would that attract new fans? I don't think so.

[NynJa]

How can you tell a team how to play defense? The puck was on Philly's stick...its their job to keep the game moving at that point.

its been around since the devils partial dynasty run (3 cups 9 years...decent)...how come no one bitched about it then?

[Sepukku]

I think a lot of people bitched about it then.... its why you had the rules changes during the lockout, was too reduce exactly the precedent the Devils set. And the NHL doesn't tell teams how to play defense. They sure do tell them many ways in which they CAN'T play defense though. Can't hold sticks, can't interfere, can't slash, can't hold bodies/body parts, can't cover puck in the crease by a skater, can't flip it out into the crowd to get tired bodies off, can't ice the puck to get tired bodies off, can't throw your stick to block a shot, etc etc. Why not add another?

[Judai]

It was dumb but all Milbury said was it was TB's fault and it wasn't. 1-3-1 might suck ass to try to get through but Philly's forwards didn't move or anything and they didn't try any break-out plays. All they did was sit around and complain like little bitches because they were afraid to leave their zone. Yes, it was disgusting play and it sucks TB runs that trap but if the NHL is going to change a rule to stop them from doing it, they need to implement a rule that says you can't sit around in your D zone and be little bitches also. Philly's forwards sat at the lines and didn't move. At least get your forwards cutting through the neutral zone and try to hit them on some criss-cross passes or bring a D forward and attack it, forcing a player to defend you and pass to a forward cutting across the zone in the area you opened.

It was shit but only because Philly basically acted like a 3 year old and threw a tantrum because they didn't want to gameplan for the 1-3-1. I don't think anyone would argue it wasn't shit hockey, most everyone here just said it was Philly being bitches, while the VS/NBC crew blamed Tampa.

and I repeat, nobody bitched about TB's 1-3-1 while they were sweeping the Caps. In fact they all raved on about how great TB was playing and stopping WSH's offense.

[Palin]

Its actually been around since the 40s and isn't going anywhere. The media's obsession with the 1-3-1 is retarded, they've had a vendetta against them ever since the playoffs. Philly is retarded for acting trying to "make a statement."

[NynJa]

How are you going to enforce "no 1-3-1 trap"? This isnt fucking basketball.


seriously, deal with it and figure out a way to combat it. If it were an impenetrable defense, every team would do it.

[Selamis]

Both teams are at fault, to be honest I'm glad this happened because you know damn well that whenever there is a meeting with NHL brass, this will be topic 1 and they won't allow this to happen again. It's ok once, but as Sep said, if this keeps happening it will drive fans away from the game and hurt the overall product. It's a bullshit system that has no place in today's game, people want to see offense and scoring, and tonight's game was Philly exposing Tampa for what an overall shitty system the 1-3-1 is.

People hated the Devils' trap in the 90's, this is a more extreme version of it, and I'd venture to say everyone outside of Tampa isn't a fan of it because it slows the game down too much. Everyone involved loses, except for Tampa as an organization because they picked up a win and ultimately that's all they are there to do but for once I actually thought that what Milbury said was spot on, and that's saying a lot coming from one of his biggest haters.

[Anton]

It was dumb but all Milbury said was it was TB's fault and it wasn't. 1-3-1 might suck ass to try to get through but Philly's forwards didn't move or anything and they didn't try any break-out plays. All they did was sit around and complain like little bitches because they were afraid to leave their zone.

This.

And Sep, Tampa isn't even that stellar at defence anyway. When philly finally attacked, they got decent chances after they crossed the blue line.

There's a Rule against static play, but the team with the puck must keep it in motion. If they pass back and forth, technically no one has to do anything. But philly stopped and took a faceoff position - which was then in violation.

People hated the Devils' trap in the 90's, this is a more extreme version of it

Extreme? Are you fucking retarded?

One team playing a novel defence concept to an average defensive rating and GAA is not even remotely close to Lemaire 90's.

It's the only team in the league that's doing this. It doesn't even work that well.

And Tampa Bay doesn't have offence or scoring?
http://www.myiconart.com/ekmps/shops...rt-50503-p.png

Philly didn't expose shit all, besides standing still loses games.

[Palin]

Anaheim's D is so god damn bad at actually defending.

[Anton]

Fuck Anaheim. And fuck Corey Perry

[Palin]

Yay Ducks losing. Boo Hiller getting light up.

[NynJa]

I actually thought that what Milbury said was spot on, and that's saying a lot coming from one of his biggest haters.

He said that Tampa doesnt score goals...

Philadelphia Flyers 56
Washington Capitals 49
Toronto Maple Leafs 45
Vancouver Canucks 45
Chicago Blackhawks 44
Dallas Stars 43
--Tampa Bay Lightning 43--
Ottawa Senators 42
Pittsburgh Penguins 42
Buffalo Sabres 41
San Jose Sharks 39
Colorado Avalanche 39
Winnipeg Jets 39
Boston Bruins 39
Florida Panthers 38
Nashville Predators 38
Phoenix Coyotes 38
Carolina Hurricanes 37
St. Louis Blues 35
Montreal Canadiens 35
New York Rangers 34
Los Angeles Kings 34
Detroit Red Wings 34
Edmonton Oilers 32
Minnesota Wild 31
Columbus Blue Jackets 31
New Jersey Devils 30
Calgary Flames 30
Anaheim Ducks 26
New York Islanders 25


Mike Milbury is an idiot...Any team whos strategy is "I dont like their defensive strategy, I wont play the game" is a fucking stupid strategy. Obviously that strategy doesnt work if you're not winning, though I do question its use in a 0-0 game, so if you dont want them to use that strategy...score a bloody goal.

and of the top 30 points getters in the league, Tampa holds 3 of them. To contrast... of the top 3 scoring leading teams (Philly, Washington, Toronto), they have 2-1-2 respectively. And since haters gonna hate...montreal doesnt have 1 player in the top 30...in fact we have 2 players in the top 90. jesus christ...

[Deader2818]

so Colin Fraser is finally going to play for the Kings as 4th line center. What should I expect of him?

[Wulfgang]

Powpow Preds go duck hunting. Craig Smith will be a Calder finalist if he continues to play as is; the Wilson / Horny / Smith line was the first pure offensive domination line I've seen out of the Preds in forever.

Flyers were fine doing what they did, 1-3-1 sucks and it was the most exciting NHL inaction I've ever seen. It's not like this is going to become an epidemic; guarantee it was a one-time "strategy" that won't be employed more than twice in the next three years.

I feel had the refs not given Philly PP after PP to start the 2nd (quite possibly phoned in by the NHL - just a feeling) to get a goal and break open scoring, that could've gone on all game for all we know. The game went to OT and even with extra time, neither team broke 25 shots (24 for TB, 15 for Philly) - and most of those shots came on the PP. Fans who payed to attend the game should feel unhappy about the quality of play (although Im sure the TB attendees were smiling nonetheless in the end), fans who payed to watch the game via Gamecenter should feel slighted, former players should (and do seem to) feel slighted, journalists should feel slighted, and Gary Bettman should feel slighted. No one watching that 1st period walked away thinking or hoping that that type of debacle proliferates at all. The NHL should be capitalizing on the NBA lockout - and doing shit like PHI-TB just did is the completely wrong way to attempt to do that.

Hyperbole much? You honestly think former NHL players are going to be slighted about this? I guarantee you there are plenty of former NHL players who said: "Yes, fuck that 1-3-1 horseshit."

[Selamis]

He said that Tampa doesnt score goals...

stuff

And I wasn't talking about anything he mentioned about scoring, I was solely talking about what he said about Tampa's 1-3-1 being spot on and how Guy Boucher should be embarrassed (or whatever word he used) about actually using it. I don't recall ever even bringing up Tampa's scoring in my statement, since I was talking about the defensive strategy in question that was being discussed.

[Anton]

It's a bullshit system that has no place in today's game, people want to see offense and scoring, and tonight's game was Philly exposing Tampa for what an overall shitty system the 1-3-1 is.

Offence, scoring, tampa, shitty system. Did I miss something?