NFL Week 6: Just win baby.

[Tweek]

Who gives a fuck about baseball in a football thread

dis.


without steroids who cares about baseball?

[Cail]

Cleveland Rocks

A man accused along with his wife of abandoning their 9-year-old foster son at a Cleveland Browns game denied leaving the boy behind, calling it a misunderstanding.

Ernest Fugate said he and his wife had tickets for different sections of the stadium's end-zone area called the Dawg Pound during the game, and each thought the other one had the boy.

"Neither one of us knew the child was lost," he told The Associated Press on Friday.

Fugate and his wife, Anna, both of Circleville, have pleaded not guilty to child endangering.

According to a police report, two people said a woman sent the boy off with them while they were walking in to the game between the Browns and Miami Dolphins on Sept 25. The two people then turned the boy over to security, the report said.

The boy told detectives the couple had argued while partying before the game and that Ernest Fugate, 54, departed to enter the stadium, leaving him with the foster mother. Fans told officers that the seats where the boy was supposed to be sitting had been empty throughout the game.

Officers stopped the couple in their car after the game, the report said. Police said the couple first told them the child had walked away before the game and then said they thought he was with the other parent.

"When asked why they were leaving without the child, they shrugged," the report said. They then laughed when an officer asked why they didn't report the child missing, the report said.

Fugate said on Friday that they did not try to leave without the boy. He said he didn't know anything was wrong until he returned to his car before his wife after the game and found police officers waiting there.

"We love that kid," Fugate said while crying. "He was my little guy. It was just an honest mistake. My wife and I didn't mean any harm to that child."

They went to the game because the boy is a Miami Dolphins fan, said Fugate, who spent 25 years as a guard at an Ohio youth prison before retiring.

He and his 56-year-old wife had been foster parents for the last seven years and they've taken in about 15 children during that time, he said. "And now that's gone over one little misunderstanding," Fugate said.

[noblemountain]

wow...makes me really glad I got adopted quickly. >.>

[Man0warr]

my god thats as bad as Manowar posting ESPN blogs about the mavericks secret coaches

Every team is going to have those "secret" coaches before 5 years is up, since the Mavs just won a championship employing them. Advanced statistics led to the lineup change to start Barea, by game 4 the Mavs had totally figured out the Heat's gameplan and adjusted to it while Spolestra didn't change shit the entire series.

[Valisk]

Changing topics with 1 word. Heard it here folks.

What game did we lose because of the center?

Jets game.

TOPIC CHANGED TO ROMO.

What is this, I don't even...

You said we won the game where Costa fucked up all the snaps. Correct, Redskins.

Cleverness then switched subjects to the JETS by saying, you know, JETS.

I said Romo handed the ball off to Revis. Revis plays for, you know, the JETS.

What don't you understand?

[Cail]

anyone have access to espn insider? Theres an article by trent dilfer calling Jay cutler the AJ Burnett of football... i wanna read it so i can laugh about pot kettle

[Resin]

Here:

There's nothing more polarizing in sports than players with exceptional talent who don't reach their potential. And let's be clear: to have the flashes of brilliance, the days when everything looks right, is not to truly reach that potential. You can't "have it" only to see it disappear.

To reach your potential, you have to maintain it. The debate will rage because the glimpses of greatness create a belief but the inability to maintain it creates dissenters. People would rather have something average and know what to expect than see greatness and never know when they'll see it again.

Predictability can be powerful.

Jay Cutler, in my opinion, has not fully reached his potential, but the argument about his performance always gets hijacked by the questions about his demeanor. He mopes. And that doesn't fit the paradigm of what a great quarterback is.


Look around. Peyton Manning is considered stiff, but he'll yell; he's demanding, and his sense of humor is palpable -- just wait for the commercials. Tom Brady is fiery; Drew Brees rallies people; Philip Rivers fights. Cutler comes off as the quintessential anti-charismatic player. Combine that with the reality that he hasn't reached his playing potential, and you get the worst kind of perception -- that he doesn't love what he's doing.

I've been highly critical of Cutler before, but not because he isn't good. It's because he isn't great. So the question is this: Is that charisma, that love you can see, a part of the "talent" of quarterbacking?

Start with the skill set. This is a guy who can make every throw possible. I talk about arm talent -- the cannon arm with the deft touch. Cutler has it all. And he's athletic -- he can make any play. I also hear of his functional IQ, a mind for the game. He has the toughness, too. We saw again Monday, just as we did all last year, that he'll take hits.

He reminds me of A.J. Burnett, the mercurial Yankees pitcher. He's the guy who can throw a no-hitter but walk nine batters. He reeks of talent, but the results vary so wildly that you can barely handle the swings.
Then consider the guys he has worked with. In Denver, it was Mike Shanahan. This is learning from an offensive master, and, although Cutler had moments, Shanahan clearly cooled on him. Cutler struggled in critical moments; he lost trust. In Chicago under Mike Martz, he's with a coach who seems ideal to showcase a quarterback's skills. But instead, for every showcase moment, there's a bad decision that diminishes it. It's Year 6, and I see a quarterback who hasn't progressed. He threw more interceptions last year in 432 attempts than he did in his first full year of starting in 467 attempts.

The skill set is obvious. The growth is hard to see.

He reminds me of A.J. Burnett, the mercurial Yankees pitcher. He's the guy who can throw a no-hitter but walk nine batters. He reeks of talent, but the results vary so wildly that you can barely handle the swings.

So let's get back to that original question: Is the charisma, the passion, the clear love of playing actually part of the talent of quarterbacking. Can Cutler truly reach his potential if he never develops that side of the game?

I think that might be the case. When you stir up the quarterback stew, you need three key ingredients.

• Physical talent
• Football IQ
• Presence

Just to have the physical talent for the position isn't enough. Ryan Leaf's ability to throw a football brilliantly couldn't make him successful. And you can't simply have the IQ. Danny Wuerffel could see it all, but he simply didn't have the arm talent. And charisma alone won't get you much past the scout team. What you need is enough of each. The QB stew relies on balance.

Cutler has plenty of physical talent. I have no reason to believe the IQ isn't there. But the presence -- that way of carrying yourself that makes everyone around you feel better -- it's not there. People haven't been better players because Cutler is on the field. And that might apply to him, as well, because as much as he might not want to fake emotion, perception isn't just for the fans. It's for others, teammates you demand play their best, make the plays, so you can maximize your own potential with them. Most guys who've won, the quarterbacks who have all three elements, they can do it anywhere.

Is there a prescription for Cutler? I think he needs to be around a coach, someone he trusts, someone who can tap into whatever passion is there and bring it out. For me, it's almost like grief, which is something that can be bottled up or can be let out with great emotion. I want to see something outward from Cutler. Even if it's yelling at the team, the media, the fans. Let us see life! Maybe that would be enough.

But right now, Cutler will polarize. He's a quarterback with remarkable skills, but he doesn't get that charisma, and the ability to inspire, really is a football talent his position demands. That might sound lofty, but if you've been there, it's simply reality. If Cutler can add that third element to the stew, I think there's a chance it could enhance the key ingredients he already has.

[Chun Liroy]

What is this, I don't even...

You said we won the game where Costa fucked up all the snaps. Correct, Redskins.

Cleverness then switched subjects to the JETS by saying, you know, JETS.

I said Romo handed the ball off to Revis. Revis plays for, you know, the JETS.

What don't you understand?

Are you really this fucking retarded? Holy shit.

[Chun Liroy]

I'll explain reallllllll slow like.

Cleverness said costa fucked up 1 game and nearly fucked up another.
I said, oh which game did he fuck up that we lost? I clearly remember the WAS game, but I forget the other one.

Cleverness said jets.
Me, forgetting about a botched snap, says "Oh, how did he screw it up, I forget what he did to lose the game"

YOU come in and insult me by saying "You mean you don't count giving the ball to revis as losing the game?"

And all of a sudden I can't follow topic progression? You are a fucking moron.

[Valisk]

YOU come in and insult me by saying "You mean you don't count giving the ball to revis as losing the game?"

Look it up.

[Chun Liroy]

You tried to be slick, but you were bad at it.

Dumb football fan.

[Cail]

lol @ dilfer... if cutler had an oline, i bet he would be pretty good

[Valisk]

You tried to be slick, but you were bad at it.

Dumb football fan.

But did you look up the word "insult" yet?

[kisada]

lol @ dilfer... if cutler had an oline, i bet he would be pretty good

doesn't help that mike martz hangs him out to dry with his playcalling. dilfer is a moron.

[Cail]

Last Week: 5-8
Overall: 46-31

Carolina @ Atlanta - Carolina's offense has looked pretty damn good this year. Steve Smith is looking highly rejuvenated. The running game is starting to pick it up and that could be deadly. I saw a few college style options last week as well as some wildcat. Nice to see Carolina with some offense after years of just running. On the flip side, Atlanta's offense has looked stagnant. Julio is out this week and the rush hasn't seemed as effective this year. Atlanta plays very well at home, but I like Carolina in this game

Indianapolis @ Cincinnati - Indy as we all know has looked pretty crappy this year. So many injuries wreaking havoc here. Painter hasn't been all that bad. However, Dallas Clark has disappeared from the pass game. Cincy has played well above expectations (mine at least). The Red Rocket is barely getting talked about because his fellow rookie QB Cam is doing so well. AJ Green has looked very good as well. Cincy's pass game should be good for quite a while. Cincy @ home

San Fran @ Detroit - People saw this coming from Detroit. Maybe not 5-0, but a good team none the less. However, at 4-1, the 49ers have a stranglehold on the worst division in football. Alex Smith hasn't looked like the Alex Smith we know, and that's a good thing. On the flip side, it's damn near impossible to stop Megatron. Triple coverage and he still goes up and pulls that shit in. Look for Detroit to have another strong home game coming off a short week.

St. Louis @ Green Bay - Poor Rams... Coming off the Bye and about to get their shit pushed in by Rodgers.

Buffalo @ New York G - Battle of the 2 best teams in New York. Bills have looked pretty good in the 2nd half of games. Now they need to start putting together some full games so that they don't have to keep coming from behind. They're #2 receiver is out for a few weeks, but look for David Nelson to step up in a big way. Injuries still plaguing the Giants. Seems like they just cant get people healthy. Jacobs + Tuck still out is just one of the problems plaguing the G-Men. People seem to thing it'll be a good game, but I think the Bills win this one easily.

Jacksonville @ Pittsburgh - The Steelers started the season off looking old and very overrated. After last week, with Rapelisberger playing on 1 foot, they looked like the Steelers of a year ago. And now, the lowly Jaguars come to town. Nothing like getting a win streak going by facing a shit team (outside of MJD) like this.

Philadelphia @ Washington - Ok. I'm in the boat of "the Eagles can't lose this game, can they?" I've been thinking it for a few weeks now, and keep getting proven wrong. Philly needs to start utilizing the run more. Vick has been a TO machine this year. When McCoy runs it, he looks very good. Sexy Rexy hasnt been great, but he hasnt been bad either. Washington is a surprise 3-1 and lead the NFC lEast. A win at home would be huge both because its always good to win, but it would all but knock out the Eagles from the playoffs in Week 6. I'm giving Philly 1 more week. They can't lose again, right?

Cleveland @ Oakland - Oakland's win last week was very surreal. Just a day after AD passed away, the Raiders pulled out a tough, close victory over Houston. Now, their first home game since the passing, and it's gonna be very emotional. The Raiders have looked pretty damn good this year. Run DMC has been virtually unstoppable. Cleveland is coming off the bye and I dont know what to think. At times they seem pretty good. At others, they look like the Browns we know. The whole situation with Hillis has become a mess. He didn't get hit by the Madden Curse (injury style) but still seems to have gotten it another way. Raiders win.

Houston @ Baltimore - It gets said every year and it still holds true this year. Are the Texans for real? I sure as hell can't tell. Their division is ripe for the taking. However, they've looked just plain average at times. The injury to Andre decimated their passing game last week. The temp #1 WR, Jacoby Jones only had 1 catch, for 9 yds on 11 targets. That won't get it done against a Baltimore team whose defense looked like vintage Ravens DEF last week against the Jets. Flacco hasnt been good this year, but RayO + RayD have helped that team to a 3-1 record, and after sunday, 4-1

Dallas @ New England - I couldn't care less about this game. I wish both teams would just disappear along with most of their fans. Between the annoying Cowboys fans who think every win or loss is the biggest game ever or all the fair weather Pats fans up here in NE...just argh... NE Defense has been terrible this year. This game will change it. Look for Romo to be god awful in a hilarious way. Tom Brady throws all over this DEF and NE wins big as usual

New Orleans @ Tampa Bay - The Saints are very quietly 4-1. It seems theyre very under the radar this year, and i don't know how. With Drew Brees throwing to everyone on his team, the passing game has looked solid as always. Tampa, on the other hand, was everyone's darling team this year (other than Detroit). They were one of those teams that was gonna break through this year! Well, after looking absolutely terrible in their ass pounding last week to the 49ers, a loss here may make people start to question that. This is only their 6th game of the season, but already their 4th at home, leaving a lot of road games to finish the year. The Saints go marching into the Bay and leave with a W.

Minnesota @ Chicago - Poor Jay Cutler. He may seriously die this year. Chicago's run has been stellar. The passing game, not so much. Jay Cutler has gotten absolutely destroyed this year. I don't have the stat in front of me, but I believe I heard during the MNF broad cast, that hes on pace to break David Carr's 'been sacked' record. The Vikings have looked pretty awful this year, up until last game. Jared Allen + AP have been the lone bright spots on the team. Allen might actually break apart Cutler this week. Other than that victory, I look for the Bears to win the game.

Miami @ New York J - The Jets have lost 3 in a row and are in turmoil. The offense can't get along. The defense can't stop the run. The offense can't run or pass. The Dolphins are in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. However, as Tyche has pointed out, the Dolphins play well against the Jets. I'm gonna take his advice, and pick the Dolphins to drop the Jets to 2-4 in an upset on Monday night

[Chun Liroy]

But did you look up the word "insult" yet?

lol

[Valisk]

Last Week: 5-8

I stopped reading there.

[Conrad]

yo bqbl people make your picks if you haven't, i'm tired of looking up your teams because I"m too lazy to track everything in an excel document

[Cail]

yo bqbl people make your picks if you haven't, i'm tired of looking up your teams because I"m too lazy to track everything in an excel document

already did! Eli + McNabb ftw!

[Tyche]

So, eh, apparently the niners have been trying to trade for Brandon Marshall.