Obama orders U.S. troops to help chase down African 'army' leader

[archibaldcrane]

Why is 'army' in quotation marks in the title?

I've read about this guy for a few years now, he's freaking vicious. Glad to see he has reason to fear for his life now.

Some info from wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

Ooh, we're fighting Christians now? I like it.

[NiggaFromHarlem]

The 1980s were a century ago?

The Iraq sanctions were a century ago?

You so readily relegate recent events to ancient history.

And, unless you are chiming in with your personal personal personal opinion, as in the United States of NiggaFromHarlem's foreign policy (irrelevant), rather than what you think our, as in the United States of America, intentions are - then no, I wasn't making anything up.

And still, it's funny that West is in your avatar considering he is an outspoken supporter of Palestinian rights and liberation and critical of Obama's wars. What is there that you happen to AGREE with?

I think you misunderstood me. My reference to "century or so" has to do with the era that I think has shaped current American foreign policy the most. My question was basically this:

Given everything we've done in the past (especially post WW-II), why do people take such issue with this particular action of the U.S. government?

I can easily understand why people take issue with other things (bases in the middle east and all over the world, occupying two different countries in the Middle-east, all of the other poor decisions we have made post WW-II, etc.), but I honestly don't understand why people think 100 troops in Africa somehow break the camel's back (especially given the fact that we've already been supporting their cause financially and in other ways for somewhere around 2 years)

As for West, to take your examples, I am also strongly supportive of Palestinian state-hood and am against Israeli settlements on (arguably) Palestinian land. I find my self ashamed that the U.S. has supported Israel in the way it has over the years. As for "Obama's wars," I have been against the wars in the Middle-east since their inception, even before it became trendy to do so (although, if I am to be honest, probably for different reasons than West).

Again, you assume too much.

[Elvis]

I think you misunderstood me. My reference to "century or so" has to do with the era that I think has shaped current American foreign policy the most. My question was basically this:

Given everything we've done in the past (especially post WW-II), why do people take such issue with this particular action of the U.S. government?

I can easily understand why people take issue with other things (bases in the middle east and all over the world, occupying two different countries in the Middle-east, all of the other poor decisions we have made post WW-II, etc.), but I honestly don't understand why people think 100 troops in Africa somehow break the camel's back (especially given the fact that we've already been supporting their cause financially and in other ways for somewhere around 2 years)

As for West, to take your examples, I am also strongly supportive of Palestinian state-hood and am against Israeli settlements on (arguably) Palestinian land. I find my self ashamed that the U.S. has supported Israel in the way it has over the years. As for "Obama's wars," I have been against the wars in the Middle-east since their inception, even before it became trendy to do so (although, if I am to be honest, probably for different reasons than West).

Again, you assume too much.

If you were supportive of Palestinian statehood, why did you say:

I certainly don't support any state with Islam as an official religion, or a state which relies on Shari'a law as a source for legislation, or a state which specifically calls for religious courts. If that's the sort of state that the Palestinian Authority seeks to create then I would happily approve of the United States vetoing any such move at the UN.

I don't understand how someone can look at the Statehood initiative and only come up with the religious angle.

It's petty and superficial. Your comment made you sound like a tourist.

In that thread, you kept pestering Kuya to 'put forth an argument', implying he was an e-paperboy. And in the very next sentence you said the story was newsworthy.

Kuya is not responsible for putting forth an argument. It happens organically as people respond to the thread. Why didn't you pester Seno?

Israel-Palestine threads and Iraq War threads are subjected to these kinds of asinine questions all the time. It's in the same vein as 'well, why don't you go do something about it.' As if discussing the issue is so painful for people they need to ask their opponents (and AFAIK, the proposition is put forth by people who, for example, do NOT agree with a Kuya-type poster).

ANYWAYS - the point still remains. None of those issues I listed are ancient history and my argument is that the credibility of our 'good intentions' is null and void.

EDIT:

Forgot to ask - does this mean you do not support a Jewish State? Since Israel is a ethno-religious State that privileges Jews over non-Jews, with the biggest example being the Jewish Law of Return.

You say you don't think Islam should be an official religion. Most Palestinians are Muslims. So, they shouldn't have their own country on their own land - land they've lived on for hundreds if not thousands of years, because they are Muslim? Or are you against the sort of Taliban-style ultra-Islamism? Those are two very different things.

Look at Turkey, then look at Saudi Arabia.

[archibaldcrane]

Elvis - this thread is about Uganda. Try to focus.

[Elvis]

You're right. I'm done.

[NiggaFromHarlem]

[A whole bunch of shit about a completely different topic/thread]

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Elvis - this thread is about Uganda. Try to focus.

I'll PM my response so as to not derail this thread further.

[ronin sparthos]

Ooh, we're fighting Christians now? I like it.

Just as a Muslim president would.

[NiggaFromHarlem]

[...] my argument is that the credibility of our 'good intentions' is null and void.

Do you think the U.S. has an ulterior motive here?

[Rhinox]

Do you think the U.S. has an ulterior motive here?

the united states doesn't intervene unless it wants something.

we aren't benevolent invaders

[NiggaFromHarlem]

the united states doesn't intervene unless it wants something.

we aren't benevolent invaders

What do you think we want here?

[Valisk]

What do you think we want here?

http://ricktrotter.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=300&h=202

Dat oil... I mean peace.

[Rhinox]

What do you think we want here?

I don't know bro maybe provide some stability and install a friendly government because of

Uganda has substantial natural resources, including fertile soils, regular rainfall, small deposits of copper, gold, and other minerals, and recently discovered oil

[Elvis]

You don't have to argue the interests in our interventions really.

Just cite our support for genocidal maniacs. Why did we support Latin and Central American dictators in the 80s? Why did we support Efrain Rios Montt?

And in the ME, why did we support Saddam, the Shah, blah blah blah.

I don't see any of this as ancient history. I think it's a strategy. We're better than other empires for sure. I think we basically invented the concept of international aide.

[archibaldcrane]

I don't know bro maybe provide some stability and install a friendly government because of

I think the govt is already friendly, this is more "yo you owe us now dude"

[Xno Kappa]

The Ugandan leaders have been begging for this help from the US and Europe and have been so for awhile.

[notorious bum]

I guess you can rape the willing.

[Xno Kappa]

And then some of you wonder why people lulz at political threads.

[Churchill]

If I had to guess, and I have to be somewhat withholding of what I know, but I would assume it has to do with scratching Uganda's back in order to gain a favor in the future with other things we are doing in the region.

Uganda does have huge oil reserves though, and there is probably one other reason but I can only assume that this is spurred by interference from another 1-2 countries in the region.

[Abandon]

Says the generic black guy on a boat who's biggest danger is getting raped in a shower.

dear god, the umadness is strong with this one

[Rhinox]

dear god, the umadness is strong with this one

mad about what gbp?