October 19th Black This Out

[Egon]

Cain is gonna win.

That is all.

[kuronosan]

Cain is a fucking halfwit.

[Churchill]

I would argue that Paul has a lot of ideas, and many people get very put off by 1-2 of them and wholeheartedly agree with the rest. Other people see him as not being favored by the media, and therefor pay him no attention.

I think the thing to remember is that he can't exactly enact a gold standard day 1 of his presidency. He can't legalize drugs day 1 of his presidency and he can't free willy the markets day 1 either. He can't do a lot of the things he believes in, so what it comes down to is what he can effect. Legalization of drugs, faith and enforcement of the Constitution, not interfering in foreign affairs, etc.

Also, I think the big thing to take away is from that campaign contribution aside from it not being solely banks and people looking for a bailout is that it is for the most part military and defense contractors. For a guy who is 100% against being involved in any war we are involved in and in silly war we will be involved in. The military side I understand, being at war sucks. Defense contractors, not so much. What do they get out of it? Oh yeah, they are mostly ex-military and heavily support/interact with the military and less wars means less money but they still support him.

[Kerberoz]

The Discordian in me wants to vote for him just for the really, really entertaining 4 years that would follow.

[shepardG]

lol, i'm probably going to vote for him ^^, if the elections were tomorrow I'd vote for ron paul. I just think that our government has gotten to huge and mis-guided. Do I like his stance on abortion? not entirely. Do I agree with all of his economic views? nope. But I can honestly say, that there are some interesting factors, that for me personally, cause me to side in his corner

-only candidate (AFAIK) to have served in the US Military (and I personally think that should be a requirement for anyone going into the senate,congress,or presidency, if only to see both sides of the tape)
- his entire stance is actually focused around the need for a smaller more efficient government that doesn't hand out so much incentives and subsidies to company's. I personally do not like the pushing and pulling our government does to businesses because i feel like it leads the government open to be pushed and pulled by those same companies.
- I like his view on the civil rights act of 1964. At the time something like it(the civil rights act) was necessary to push through that initial resistance to change, but now almost 50 years later, it should be done away with. Quote's concerning skin color shouldn't determine a persons ability to fulfill a job.
- He voted against the fucking patriot act. As a man who's life has been forever altered deeply by terrorism, I still can't bring myself to accept that sort of internal espionage that our goverment does. I feel like a do a good job of understanding their justification, but i feel like the acted out of fear, instead of out of courage or justice.

[ronin sparthos]

Even if Ron Paul managed to pull of a miracle he'd never get to do half the shit he'd want to do in office. Legalize drugs? lol, congress would shoot that down in an instant.

He'll end up just like Obama with grand plans that get watered down to barely recognizable forms.

[kuronosan]

I respect Ron Paul's passion, but after seeing what Obama has accomplished (notwithstanding his civil rights victories that the GOP wants to repeal) with his campaign promises, I can't vote for another politician making false promises about change.

Obama has changed a lot, but he hasn't changed what's important.

Like I said. People are suffering, losing jobs, corporations are firing people to increase their already record-high profits, and he's shilling drink warmers to fund his campaign.

[Rothbardian]

I respect Ron Paul's passion, but after seeing what Obama has accomplished (notwithstanding his civil rights victories that the GOP wants to repeal) with his campaign promises, I can't vote for another politician making false promises about change.

Obama has changed a lot, but he hasn't changed what's important.

Like I said. People are suffering, losing jobs, corporations are firing people to increase their already record-high profits, and he's shilling drink warmers to fund his campaign.

Of course Ron cannot do everything he would like to do in a single term, nor possibly in a second due to the sentiments of Congress (Authoritarian), however, he could do a great many things which he has been fighting for, for 30 years. I also find it disingenuous to put Ron Paul anywhere in the same breath as Obama. Obama was an unknown. Clearly he was a puppet for the special interests. You would have to be naive to even believe Obama believed in the rhetoric he put forth. Ron has nearly 30 years of consistent voting record and rhetoric. He is principled and unwavering. Remember, a President has the veto pen -- which I suspect would be used in a Ron Paul administration more than the entire record of Presidential vetos combined.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul647.html

My Plan for a Freedom President
How I would put the Constitution back in the Oval Office

If Ron can get an audit of the Fed through the House with overwhelming majorities of both parties signed on due to the American peoples fervent pressure, I expect Ron to be able to get through more things than what might first expect, but a lot less than the entire package.

Sure, Obama has changed a lot -- a lot in the wrong direction. Ron is the only person who will end Corporate, Foreign, and MIC subsidies. He will end the Wars, and bring the troops home. The veto pen is a mighty tool. He can prevent horrendous legislation to get through, and he can appoint Justices that are extremely civil libertarian and Constitutionally minded. (Judge Andrew Napalitano and Lawyer Johnathan Turley are the first two in line)

In any event, if you are a registered Democrat, there is no primary on your side, and wouldn't you rather have a peace candidate on the Republican side, than the war-mongers like Romney, Perry, and who knows what his foreign policy is (maybe 007) Cain? You can at least switch to Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primary and then switch back to Democrat if you want.

[Eanae]

Even if Ron Paul managed to pull of a miracle he'd never get to do half the shit he'd want to do in office. Legalize drugs? lol, congress would shoot that down in an instant.

He'll end up just like Obama with grand plans that get watered down to barely recognizable forms.

I hear abolishing separation of church and state and abolishing planned parenthood are grand plans. Fuck this guy and all he's worth. Anyone who would vote for him is a fucking idiot.

[Apelila]

Yeah he has some idea's I agree with, but at the same time he has some idea's that are so pants on head retarded I'm concerned hes in the government at all in any capacity.

[ronin sparthos]

I hear abolishing separation of church and state and abolishing planned parenthood are grand plans. Fuck this guy and all he's worth. Anyone who would vote for him is a fucking idiot.

Arguably there is no separation of church and state to abolish but yeah Ron Paul is pretty fucking crazy on some aspects.

[Militant]

I don't agree with all of Ron Paul either, but one of the things I like is that he's said the same shit for 20 years. Hasn't changed his stance on certain issues and flip flopped back and forth akin to Perry. He's been saying the same shit forever.

[Spicyryan]

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[test123]

Gold standard heavily favors creditors and people with gold. Great for gold bugs, but worse than current affairs for most of America.

Well Ron Paul does not want to immediatly go over to the Gold Standard. His plan is to legalize competing currancies such as the gold backed note. In time the gold note will win as the popular currency.

[Celeste]

Ron Pauru!? WHY NOT, LOL.

[Churchill]

And you call Ron Paul crazy

[Eaglestrike]

So you get right to the Republicans, and the small government crowd. Then you suggest a strong nation defense which is something that expands the size of the government and the resources spent by the nation.

If you pull out our troops from all the bases we have all over the world, then keep just a strong national defense, you have far less troops than we have now.

So then you say something obvious as everyone loves liberty, but you say the government should have pretty much little to no say in the economy? What?

The government is there to stop corruption, not to tell people how to act. There is a difference.

"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs."

Well, depending on how you look at it, it's both very true and can be just fine. For instance there shouldn't be either a big pro-religion movement in government or a big anti-religion movement in government. The 10 Commandments should be able to be on government land. They should not be REQUIRED to be, but they also shouldn't be burned down, either. Which is how I view his stance. Not in great support, or greatly against, religion.

The issue with the whole religion idea is also a problem directly in the Church. They care about little rules and single-line things (homosexuality) as opposed to the overall message: Love your neighbor. A free society works on the basis of the actual message, but people fuck it up and focus on the stupid shit.

[Byrthnoth]

Old-man social opinions aside, he's not much more crazy than Cain (yo guiz my bros tell me 9 iz a gud numbr) or any of the other Republican candidates. The main difference is that he's entirely open with his views instead of dodging questions and presents a clear and coherent narrative without any parts left out.

The problem is that he's likely making a lot of incorrect assumptions and shit wouldn't play out the way he thinks it would if we let him do what he wants to do. That's a reason to vote against him, but it doesn't stop him from being the most internally consistent and coherent Republican candidate.

[Churchill]

I'd say let him to his shit, and if it's all fucked up it's all fucked up.

To be perfectly honest he's the only candidate I'd actually believe would step down if he was a shitty President.

[Spicyryan]

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