October 19th Black This Out

[kuronosan]

I've watched that video and after reading Ron Paul's website over his campaign he can go eat a dick.

[test123]

Maybe this will change your mind. Either cut spending or see the dollar collapse.

[kuronosan]

You're right. I do change my mind. He can eat two dicks.

[Apelila]

I would prescribe a bag of them.

[Kuya]

It would be great to observe what happens to the US after Ron Paul somehow manages to get what he wants. I mean that from a purely scientific perspective where the consequences can't harm me. I obviously do not want to live in said world.

Although from a purely cynical perspective, one could say that Ron Paul would just speed up the inevitable, but of course, i'm not a fatalist. Most of the time.

[test123]

[plue]

I read some more about Paul recently, since I haven't heard about him before this thread. I'm feeling kind of mixed up about him since I do really like some of his ideas, but then you see some religious bullshit surface up like anti-abortion. Would seem like a real gamble to vote for the guy, it could turn out great, or you'll get a religious nut against stem cell research banging the clergymen.

[Cyn]

Ron Paul followers inevitably strike me as people with a very narrow view on politics. They tend to latch on to two of his political views and willfully ignore everything else. The first is that he wants to end both foreign wars. Wake the fuck up, do you really think he wants to end them because he cares about the people of Iraq or Afghanistan? The only thing he cares about is our "defense" (lol) budget. Next, set your blunt down and check this shit out. He does not really support your right to get blazed, he just doesn't want to pay for the DEA anymore. This man literally wants to selectively dismantle the federal government (albeit in the manner that it suits HIM. He'd love to make abortion a crime nationally). Want your kids to go to school? Not on his watch. Want a giant fence spanning the US-Mexico border? Well that's cool. Seriously, do you really think that Isolationism is a viable policy? Come the fuck on, it's less viable than Cain's retarded 9-9-9.

The fastest way that people can have me completely dismiss all of their views (less than 1 second honestly) is to type out rLOVEution. Doesn't help that he has racist ties and most of the supporters of him that I've met are anarchists. Fucking give me a break.

I still <3 you though Churchill.

[Churchill]

Everyone loves me, what can I say.

[test123]

The only thing he cares about is our "defense" (lol) budget.

He does not really support your right to get blazed, he just doesn't want to pay for the DEA anymore.

Want your kids to go to school? Not on his watch.

Want a giant fence spanning the US-Mexico border? Well that's cool.

Seriously, do you really think that Isolationism is a viable policy?

You have your facts wrong:

Ron Paul says the US will be more safe by cutting militarism, not defence. No other candidate wants to cut militarism, they want to cut benefits. Ron Paul does not want to go after people dependant on benefits, he want to give you the option to opt-out. He goes for cutting military spending before benefits.

Ron Paul belives no one should control what you put in your own body. Eliminating waste related to the drug wars are just an added benfit.

Ron Paul does not belive the federal gov should manage education, that is up for the states. He has plenty of arguments for this.

Ron Paul does not want to build a fence, he wants to bring the troops home and let them guard the US boarder, rather then the afghan, korean, japanese, german+++ boarders. 900 bases wtf?? That is not national defence, that is saving face for a collapsing empire. He says that when the economy are back on its feet, mexicans would be welcomed in to the US on work visas. Companies actually lobby for more immigration u know.

Shutting down military bases and ceasing to deal with other nations with threats and violence is not isolationism. It is the opposite. Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity. It is the only foreign policy that will not bankrupt us in short order, as our current actions most definitely will. I share the disappointment of the American people in the foreign policy rhetoric coming from the administration. The sad thing is, our foreign policy WILL change eventually, as Rome’s did, when all budgetary and monetary tricks to fund it are exhausted. -Ron Paul

[Uzor]

You do realize the patriot act was created to defend USA, right? USA,as it is, is impenetrable from the outside. It's in the middle of a fucking ocean, sand the only way to get to it is by boat or air. And the USA defense is set up so that anything it doesn't want near them will just be shot down. Not even a golf ball could get close without being detected. No, the greatest threat, and USA's greatest weakness is that all defenses were fine-tuned to detect outside threats, and not those coming from within - as was the case on 9/11. The patriotic act was created for the purpose of detecting threats from within. Abolishing the Patriot Act would only serve the purpose of opening yourselvesup again.

Really, what's so bad about it? The government doesn't give a shit about who you're having an affair with. It's purpose is to allow law enforcement an easier time tracking criminals and terrorists. Unless you fit in to one of the aovementioned categories, why are you fighting it?

Oh, and the Patriot Act stands for "Uniting (and) Strenghtening America (by) Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001", in case you didn't know. So technically it is patriotic, as it's designed to zealously protect the country. The again, I wouldn't expect a Ron Paul follower to understand that.

As for Ron Paul, it is truly terrifying how many people are fooled by throwing fancy words around. It seem any politician can win the hearts of the American people by just throwing out phrases like "Freedom", "We are the greatest nation", "most prosperous country in the world", and surprisingly that seem to just completely blind all of the idiots who truly believe those things.

Ron Paul is a horrible politician, and if he ever win the presidency I fear how the world would turn out. Sadly, I too would be affected by it as America is a major economic entity. The only thing that could possibly be learned from him winning is that he's a complete religious nuts and a fanatic idiot.

[test123]

If the US wants to keep provoking attacks by occupying arab land, let palestineans be trampled on and kill 1m more Iraqi then yes, the Patriot Act will slightly protect you.

However Ron Paul wants to quit making enemies such that the Patriot Act aren't needed.

Also, if the 4th ammendment can be taken away from you, the 1st can also be taken away. It's happening in Europe already.

PS: You are more likely to die from a lightning strike then a terror attack. But you don't see trillions spent on lightning rods do you.

[Kerberoz]

The problem with the word "patriot" is people assuming that it's a good thing, and not just another word for "nationalist".

[Dantrag]

Uzor, the problem is that it won't just stop there. Things like that tend to build until you get a nanny/police state and they will continue to keep adding "safety" measures to "protect" us.

[Uzor]

The US had enemies even before they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, or did you forget that?

[test123]

The US had enemies even before they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, or did you forget that?

Pay attention. During the 90's the US led a campaign of terror that lead to 500,000 dead Iraqi. That is one of the roots for 9/11.

[Uzor]

The Western world has been hated by the Islam fanatics since before then. The roots to the hatred does not lie in attacks.

[test123]

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[Odon]

As for Ron Paul, it is truly terrifying how many people are fooled by throwing fancy words around. It seem any politician can win the hearts of the American people by just throwing out phrases like "Freedom", "We are the greatest nation", "most prosperous country in the world", and surprisingly that seem to just completely blind all of the idiots who truly believe those things. .

It worked for Bush and Obama!

[Talint]

I feel like I've thrown this around really recently. Oh well! Here it is again.

"I don't think the civil war was necessary." - Ron Paul.