Random Mists of Pandaria Discussion

[FailureMidgard]

Did you seriously compare spellpower and % spellpower, two stats that raise the exact same things by different amount, to a situational proc that offer differents benefit that can't easily be compared?

Just because the optimal situation can be found accurately in certain situation doesn't mean it can generalized to everything.

My bad, I forgot that runspeed and runspeed don't affect the same thing. Definitely "different benefits" between those 2 things. I agree it cannot be generalized to everything, but you're still not catching the fact that part of my point here is that encounter design does not change that much. This was the point of my simple curve analogy, that if you look at the area around 4 with a +/- 2, that's how much the encounter design changes for example, and it never actually gets into the neighborhood of making the new PoJ better (which -requires- movement EVERY X seconds, where 3<x<6, or when you have to run so far that the judgement speed burst only gets you so far and PoJ would end up having a higher average (that's a really far run, not even Twin Emps in AQ, which is the closest we've had to this, had that distance. Maybe Archimonde in Hyjal did. Maybe.).

Also, when you have to start insulting me, it's a pretty sad sign for your argument. I'll do just fine, thanks.

can the both of you stop posting speculative, e-peen lasso contest bullshit? Like, forever? The fucking thread's a mess of it now.

No offense but I don't see anything speculative. This has nothing to do with epeen...at all? I agree the thread is a mess at least!

[Plow]

again I don't even know the abilities we're talking about at this point cuz I haven't looked at stuff yet so just going by assumption from what you guys have said here but...

active movement speed fails vs passive pretty much any time the movement is unpredictable since 1. move is a lot faster than 1. judge 2. move

[Correction]

No offense but I don't see anything speculative. This has nothing to do with epeen...at all? I agree the thread is a mess at least!

I mean start a new fucking thread if you're going to play 'I'm right and you're wrong and not worth arguing with' Badminton for 6 fucking pages instead of shitting up the general MoP announcements thread. We have a subforum to ourselves. Let's act like it.

[FailureMidgard]

again I don't even know the abilities we're talking about at this point cuz I haven't looked at stuff yet so just going by assumption from what you guys have said here but...

active movement speed fails vs passive pretty much any time the movement is unpredictable since 1. move is a lot faster than 1. judge 2. move

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Most unpredictable movement is small sudden things where movespeed is a nonissue (dodging a lava wave or a trap or something, it's literally a single sidestep and movespeed really won't matter). Most significant movement is predictable or semi-predictable. As in, you know it's coming up. Furthermore, you can start moving, then judge while moving to increase your speed. You have to be moving for <1 second for the passive to win, which again, probably means that movespeed wasn't very relevant (it takes more than 1 second for 10% movespeed to matter). Furthermore, there's the aspect of DPS lost for either movespeed scenario to function (sitting on judgement timer for a bit vs sitting on HoPo?).

Anyway, as I said, most meaningful movement is predictable. Since you're unfamiliar with current fights, using ICC examples: Lich King movement is predictable (plague goes out at predictable intervals, black puddles are predictable intervals, spirits spawning are also predictable). Sindragosa is predictable (flying phase, big frost nova, etc). Putricide is predictable (ooze spawns). I could go on, but my point is you can watch timers for these, and be ready to use a "burst" movement. The less predictable movement requirements are generally single steps that movespeed doesn't matter on (Festergut dodging slimes, you wouldn't want to use judgement to move faster, but moving fast isn't the requirement, paying attention and moving 1-2 steps is what matters).

[Kaylia]

Also, when you have to start insulting me, it's a pretty sad sign for your argument. I'll do just fine, thanks.

What do you want me to say? That your backward logic is going to help you in maths and sciences? I'm amazed that you even got a master degree considering this kind of logics is something you usually see with new students.

You take an unrelated and oversimplified statement, prove it, and then generalize it to a completely unrelated case. It's a retarded approach no matter what. It's even more retarded considering that in the context, the stats you're trying to optimize have completely arbitrary weight and can hardly be proven better unless you prove that one is always better than other..

[BadKarma]

Oh sweet tittyfucking christ shut the fuck up already.

[Kaylia]

Just add us to ignore if you're that butthurt....It's not going to end faster because you cry about it.

[BadKarma]

Just add us to ignore if you're that butthurt....It's not going to end faster because you cry about it.

You really are just a total cunt now aren't you?

It's not called butthurt. It's called not seeing the point in dickwaving about shit that is subject to change and most likely will change.

[Kaylia]

You really are just a total cunt now aren't you?

It's not called butthurt. It's called not seeing the point in dickwaving about shit that is subject to change and most likely will change.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that your were totally nice in your previous post and that it was wrong for me to use that tone. I will add more smileys and flowers next time to make sure that you don't feel the hatred.

If you had spent 10 seconds reading any posts, you would have realized that my argument has nothing to do with any abilities or numbers, but if theorycrafting can give you the best solution in every scenarios or not.

I agree it's completely retarded to use specific numbers at this point, but tell me where I've done that? This is the exactly why I'm arguing with FM who keep insisting that theorycrafting can only find a single answer and that it is always the best solution.

[BadKarma]

There is no solution to anything until PTR 5.0/Beta comes up. Stop responding to Fail and hell stop throwing numbers at your head like an asian child with mega bloks

[Thuronn]

3 + x -2y = Chimera Shot

I calculated this last night.

And doesn't 4x + 6y - 28 = Serpent Sting?

/failure

[Kaylia]

There is no solution to anything until PTR 5.0/Beta comes up. Stop responding to Fail and hell stop throwing numbers at your head like an asian child with mega bloks

This particular argument isn't going to change since the problem lies in the method rather than in the numbers.

[Boyiee]

This thread done got shitted up

[Thuronn]

This thread done got shitted up

/rerail

I can't wait to be a Koala Bear in Blizzards 5th Expansion.

[Plow]

Obviously we're all going to be rolling Broccolarians for emerald dream.

[Correction]

Obviously we're all going to be rolling Broccolariansfor emerald dream.

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[Plow]

yeap and I will pick whatever the opposite faction is and make this my theme song:

[The Stig]

New Talent Calculator and Ability list is up:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mis...ent-calculator

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Was browsing through it quickly:

yay DK gets CONTROL UNDEAD!
wtf Warrior's Shield Block costing 80 rage and only increasing your chance to block ONE incoming melee attack by 25%
yay it seems they've taken a sample of the most common talent builds and inserted them into the spec -- no more fretting about talent points/spending them, and from what I can see some classes
yay paladin gets hammer of the righteous as a baseline ability, and divine storm is now an AOE templar's verdict
blessing of might increases mastery by 5! level 81
yay ass rogues get their own Execute (called Dispatch)
wow/yay ass rogues get "Seal Fate" -- 100% chance to add a combo point if your abilities that generate combo points crit, and seeing how fast ass rogues attack ... that's a lotta points
lol combat rogues seem boned/unchanged
lol sub rogues also seem boned/unchanged
yay Frost/Fury DKs/WARs can have both playstyles in one without changing "spec" (DKs can use 2 handers or dual wield, and WARs can dual wield 2 huge weapons or 2 small weapons)

I'm liking my DK changes so far. A nice variety of tools and tricks!

[Tomino]

DK becomes even more versatile/fun with the new talent system : you have almost complete control between how much dps/defense you need, as well as heals. It will be a blast to solo stuff or push one's limits with that.

[Galkaeater]

woah new druid ability symbiosis sounds cool