Random Question Thread XXIV: #Occupy the RQT

[noodles355]

anyone have a .txt for passing all cells in salvage handy?

//Cell Passing for Salvage mules.

if item is 5365,5373,5374,5375 then pass // Pass Weapon, Subjob, Ability and Magic cells.

if item is 5366,5367,5368,5369,5370,5371,5372 then pass // Pass Pass Ranged and Equipment cells.

if item is 5376,5377,5378,5379,5380,5381,5382,5383,5384 then pass // Pass HP, MP and Stat cells.

[Solace]

missing a wing? I assume you meant stone?

Wing, floor, section.... so many to keep track of. They were two of three "areas" needed to enter for the fight. I get them mixed up sometime.

[Taim Meich]

Fast Cast, Haste, and "reduces spellcasting time" from Arts and equipment that enhances it: How do they stack?

Is additive in all cases? (i.e.: 0.1 reduction from LA + 0.15 from /RDM for casting time, total 0.25 reduction)

Or is it multiplicative? (i.e: 1 - (0.9*0.85) = 1 - 0.765 = 0.235 reduction).

Re-posting, I'm really interested in knowing it. Multilplicative terms would make capping casting time much much harder!

[Hirronimus]

So we did a few Qilins last night, while I was 2 boxing. I got Houyi's Gorget on a char that only has WAR/PLD/DRK/BST/SAM/DRG. Please tell me if it can be used for either of those jobs. Otherwise I'll just be tossing this shit into abyss with salty tears streaming down my cheeks.

[noodles355]

Useful for some Drg 5-hit setups. Might be useful for War 5hits now too? I'm unsure on that though, but I'm guessing the 10STP hands make it a lot easier and more worthwhile to 5hit Ukon. For example, Rose Strap, wtath, Hyouri's, Brutal, AF3+2 Body, ogier's gauntlets, tyrant, rajas, goading, /sam would be 57STP, 20.4TP, assuming 2hit Ukko, you would need 34 STP on WS. Rose Strap, /sam, brutal, ogier's, rajas.

You'd be at 25% instead of 26% haste, lose a few % double attack and some str/dex/attack in a few places, but I doubt those losses would be stronger than the gains of 20%~ WS frequency.

[grevenilvec75]

Re-posting, I'm really interested in knowing it. Multilplicative terms would make capping casting time much much harder!

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Spell_Recast

dunno if that answers your question, i'm at work so don't have time to read.

EDIT: While i'm here:

I finally levelled a real DD (IE 2hander) and now I need to advice on food. Red curry buns are top-tier correct? what about everyday (read: cheap) DD food? Any use for pizza? Meat Chiefkabobs?

And one more question: I noticed on windower site that default midcastdelay is 600ms, this seems awfully fast to me, has anyone had any problems with lag that cause your precast stuff to not fire?

[EjinCaitsith]

Useful for some Drg 5-hit setups. Might be useful for War 5hits now too? I'm unsure on that though, but I'm guessing the 10STP hands make it a lot easier and more worthwhile to 5hit Ukon. For example, Rose Strap, wtath, Hyouri's, Brutal, AF3+2 Body, ogier's gauntlets, tyrant, rajas, goading, /sam would be 57STP, 20.4TP, assuming 2hit Ukko, you would need 34 STP on WS. Rose Strap, /sam, brutal, ogier's, rajas.

You'd be at 25% instead of 26% haste, lose a few % double attack and some str/dex/attack in a few places, but I doubt those losses would be stronger than the gains of 20%~ WS frequency.

Your proposed set: 7 skill, 29 str, 9 dex, 66 atk, 33 acc, 14% DA, and 25% haste.
Current best set: 46 str, 25 dex, 88 atk, 30 acc, 17% DA, 8% crit, 26% haste.

Your set is losing by 14% with ideal buffs and restraint up, and just over 9% when restraint is down.

[transmit]

Someone in my LS is saying theres a way in Campaign to get your Allied Notes equal to the exp you gain, but I seem to be only getting half the AN for my exp. I'm I missing something?

[noodles355]

Your proposed set: 7 skill, 29 str, 9 dex, 66 atk, 33 acc, 14% DA, and 25% haste.
Current best set: 46 str, 25 dex, 88 atk, 30 acc, 17% DA, 8% crit, 26% haste.

Your set is losing by 14% with ideal buffs and restraint up, and just over 9% when restraint is down.

If you're going to compare it to the "best set" then you should probably compare it to "best 5 hit set" instead of something I threw together in 5 minutes, because I'm 90% certain what I quoted is not the best 5hit you can do.

Canceling out those stats you put on the "best" set compared to the 5hit I provided (Which obviously has room for improvement):
You lose 4~fStr, 8% Crit, 28~Atttack, 3% DA, 0.6% Haste (Assuming 250>256, is that right?) and the effects on dDex of 19Dex.
I don't know what WAR's current TP:WS split is like nowadays, but are those loses more than the gain of 20% WS frequency?

Edit: I'm not sure I understand your numbers. If I'm understanding Restraint right, it adds roughly 1% WSDmg per hit, for about 5% Dmg to WS only. Does that mean that the 14% and 9% you quote are just the losses in WSDmg? Because restraint adds no TP damage or WS frequency so changing from restrain up to restraint down can't possibly lose 5% damage accross the board as it doesn't affect TP phase damage at all.

I'm sorry, you're post is confusing me.

[Cream Soda]

If you're going to compare it to the "best set" then you should probably compare it to "best 5 hit set" instead of something I threw together in 5 minutes.

Should compare it to the best overall set. If the best overall set is a 5 hit, then I'll agree with you.

If the best overall set isn't a 5hit, then what's the point in comparing it to the best 5 hit?

[noodles355]

Should compare it to the best overall set. If the best overall set is a 5 hit, then I'll agree with you.

If the best overall set isn't a 5hit, then what's the point in comparing it to the best 5 hit?

Your post doesn't make much sense to me >.>. The poster above basically stated the "best" 6hit. And you say you should compare it to be best overall set. Is the best overall set that 6hit? Why compare the set to it's self?

So what is the best 6hit, the best 5hit, and how by how much better is one than the other?

I'm already having trouble understanding the other poster's post - Are those stat trade offs just from TP gear? If so, where did you lose 3% DA and 8% Crit from? 8% Crit I could undestand from Rancor and Grip, but then where does that other 3% DA come from? Likewise, 3%Crit/3%DA I could understand from grip/AF3 neck, but then where the other 5% crit? Secondly, if that's the TP gear losses then is that comparison from the TP phase damage? Because retaliation being up shouldn't affect TP phase damage, and yet the 14% you cite drops when retaliation is down. In fact, if retaliation was to change TP phase damage at all, then the 14% would rise when retaliation is down by virtue of equipping stronger DD hands over AF3+2 hands.
Thirdly, the 14% and 9% you cite. Is that how much damage you lose overall including the boost you gain from 20% WS frequency of dropping from 6hit to 5hit? Because assuming 60/40 WS/TP split, that 6>5hit would give 12% DoT, and there is no way in hell I believe those stats (which dont even make sense) would equate to a 26% loss in total DoT. So assuming it doesn't include the 12% gain from 6>5hit, then by your numbers swapping from 6hit to 5hit would lose 2%DoT with retaliation up (50% of the time) and gain 3% with retaliation down (50% of the time), which averaging out would make the 5hit 1% better overall no?

Did that make anyone's head hurt reading as much as it did mine writing it?

[Kaisha]

Decent H2H for MNK that isn't emp? I've been using Taurine Cesti since I had one in my mog house for some reason and appeared to have decent stats.


I need to get off my ass and do Nyzul100 so I can unlock Ascetic's to tide me over until I finish fake-Vere. I'm kinda digging this job so I'll be attempting to gear it a little better than my other DD classes. Black belt going to be fun if I can't find a seller for the items.

[Nightfyre]

Decent H2H for MNK that isn't emp? I've been using Taurine Cesti since I had one in my mog house for some reason and appeared to have decent stats.


I need to get off my ass and do Nyzul100 so I can unlock Ascetic's to tide me over until I finish fake-Vere. I'm kinda digging this job so I'll be attempting to gear it a little better than my other DD classes. Black belt going to be fun if I can't find a seller for the items.

Is WoE path really even worthwhile given Shijin Spiral? Seems like you could do better overall with that + STR magian or the like, barring Abyssea.

[Prothescar]

WoE path isn't really worth it anyway.

[Septimus]

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Spell_Recast

dunno if that answers your question, i'm at work so don't have time to read.

EDIT: While i'm here:

I finally levelled a real DD (IE 2hander) and now I need to advice on food. Red curry buns are top-tier correct? what about everyday (read: cheap) DD food? Any use for pizza? Meat Chiefkabobs?

And one more question: I noticed on windower site that default midcastdelay is 600ms, this seems awfully fast to me, has anyone had any problems with lag that cause your precast stuff to not fire?

Red Curry Buns for everything that you want a lot of oomph on. (Rarab Pies also, but I think that they don't have STR, just a ton of attack.) Marinara Pizza for when you want a nice bonus to attack and accuracy. I consider Yellow Curry Buns or Coeurl Subs to be the "everyday" DD food.

Don't use Meat Chiefkabobs, it cheapens us all.

[shen]

Your post doesn't make much sense to me >.>. The poster above basically stated the "best" 6hit. And you say you should compare it to be best overall set. Is the best overall set that 6hit? Why compare the set to it's self?

So what is the best 6hit, the best 5hit, and how by how much better is one than the other?

I'm already having trouble understanding the other poster's post - Are those stat trade offs just from TP gear? If so, where did you lose 3% DA and 8% Crit from? 8% Crit I could undestand from Rancor and Grip, but then where does that other 3% DA come from? Likewise, 3%Crit/3%DA I could understand from grip/AF3 neck, but then where the other 5% crit? Secondly, if that's the TP gear losses then is that comparison from the TP phase damage? Because retaliation being up shouldn't affect TP phase damage, and yet the 14% you cite drops when retaliation is down. In fact, if retaliation was to change TP phase damage at all, then the 14% would rise when retaliation is down by virtue of equipping stronger DD hands over AF3+2 hands.
Thirdly, the 14% and 9% you cite. Is that how much damage you lose overall including the boost you gain from 20% WS frequency of dropping from 6hit to 5hit? Because assuming 60/40 WS/TP split, that 6>5hit would give 12% DoT, and there is no way in hell I believe those stats (which dont even make sense) would equate to a 26% loss in total DoT. So assuming it doesn't include the 12% gain from 6>5hit, then by your numbers swapping from 6hit to 5hit would lose 2%DoT with retaliation up (50% of the time) and gain 3% with retaliation down (50% of the time), which averaging out would make the 5hit 1% better overall no?

Did that make anyone's head hurt reading as much as it did mine writing it?

Can someone post the proposed best 5hit and 6hit sets for comparison please? It'd be so much easier to compare then, instead of just tossing out the stats from either of them lol

[EjinCaitsith]

Your post doesn't make much sense to me >.>. The poster above basically stated the "best" 6hit. And you say you should compare it to be best overall set. Is the best overall set that 6hit? Why compare the set to it's self?

So what is the best 6hit, the best 5hit, and how by how much better is one than the other?

I'm already having trouble understanding the other poster's post - Are those stat trade offs just from TP gear? If so, where did you lose 3% DA and 8% Crit from? 8% Crit I could undestand from Rancor and Grip, but then where does that other 3% DA come from? Likewise, 3%Crit/3%DA I could understand from grip/AF3 neck, but then where the other 5% crit? Secondly, if that's the TP gear losses then is that comparison from the TP phase damage? Because retaliation being up shouldn't affect TP phase damage, and yet the 14% you cite drops when retaliation is down. In fact, if retaliation was to change TP phase damage at all, then the 14% would rise when retaliation is down by virtue of equipping stronger DD hands over AF3+2 hands.
Thirdly, the 14% and 9% you cite. Is that how much damage you lose overall including the boost you gain from 20% WS frequency of dropping from 6hit to 5hit? Because assuming 60/40 WS/TP split, that 6>5hit would give 12% DoT, and there is no way in hell I believe those stats (which dont even make sense) would equate to a 26% loss in total DoT. So assuming it doesn't include the 12% gain from 6>5hit, then by your numbers swapping from 6hit to 5hit would lose 2%DoT with retaliation up (50% of the time) and gain 3% with retaliation down (50% of the time), which averaging out would make the 5hit 1% better overall no?

Did that make anyone's head hurt reading as much as it did mine writing it?

Where did retaliation come from? I said restraint.

This is the set i was comparing to yours.

The 14% and 9% numbers came from assuming both WS sets were identical, which I forgot to notice you needed to WS in STP to keep 5hit, so you lose an additional 4% crit hit damage and 3 STR for Ukko's.

Basically, with restraint up, your 5hit rounds to WS drops to 3.98, but your WS damage average lowers to 3098, while the 6hit rounds to WS is 4.76 and WS damage average of 3603. Melee DPS for your 5hit is 252 and 299 for the 6hit. Even though the 5hit has roughly 3% more WS dmg, the 5hit just loses too much in the melee phase, giving up crit, DA, and attack, to allow it to beat the 6hit.

[Kaisha]

Is WoE path really even worthwhile given Shijin Spiral? Seems like you could do better overall with that + STR magian or the like, barring Abyssea.

I've not been keeping up with the numbers lately, but is the nerf coming to V.Smite that bad enough to make the merit WS worthwhile? Regardless, was going to merit Shijin for my PUP so if that's the case, then it's win-win for me.

WoE path isn't really worth it anyway.

I was only considering it since I'm roughly around 30 coins on all variants when I was farming them non-stop to make my fake-Almace, so it wouldn't be that big a hassle to make fake-Vere other than boring NM camping.

[dannyl]

Someone in my LS is saying theres a way in Campaign to get your Allied Notes equal to the exp you gain, but I seem to be only getting half the AN for my exp. I'm I missing something?

Its always been that way as far as I recall. I'm probably missing something too if its not

[transmit]

Im having a very strange error tonight.

Every time I examine an NPC in Ro-meave I get disconnected with a "Failed to read data" message. I cant get my loot from the voidwatch box! Any clue whats causing this? Ive done plenty of VW tonight, but only happening in this zone.