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  1. #2681
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    Rajas will probably be better as the second ring, or at least it seems so with Shijin spiral according to Motenten's spreadsheet, which shares a common DEX mod.


    Also, I was reading the wiki entry on critical hit rate, and there's something I didn't understand, regarding the way to test crit rates with WS:

    Example: So say that you have a piece of equipment (like Assassin's Vest) with an unknown boost to Critical Hit Rate. The testing method would recommend you go to Abyssea, put on Atma of the Gnarled Horn, Atma of the Razed Ruins, and Atma of the Dark Depths (95% Critical Hit Rate with 5 merits) and the equipment. Swing away at something, and increase your critical hit rate by 1% per non-crit. The first sign of negative evidence (a non-crit) is enough to increment. At the final level, you should end up Critical Hiting 303 times in a row without seeing any regular hits, which makes you 95% confident that you've found your target value. From that point, you would add up your sources of critical hit rate and subtract them from 100%. The remainder is the critical hit rate on the equipment.

    Past Critical Hit Rate tests relied on long parses against Hpmedes (N=10000+, as is seen in the references), Abyssea brought with it the possibility of a new way to test unknown Critical Hit Rate boosts. Overall, this is much faster than a similarly accurate Hpemde parse. On average, you would expect to swing 531 times to determine the critical hit rate of an unknown source with 95% confidence. The test will go much faster if you undershoot Critical Hit rate with your initial guess than if you overshoot it, and you should be able to get within 5% very quickly. This same method can be applied to Weapon Skills, using them as the X% unknown Critical Hit Rate.
    What does the last bolded part mean? I understand perfectly how to do the test with normal hits, but this escapes me.

  2. #2682
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    Most Weapon Skills that have "Critical hit rate varies with TP" start with a non-0 Critical Hit Rate modifier at 100TP. If you don't know what that modifier is, you can set a certain amount of Critical Hit Rate in gear and WS at a specific TP, checking whether or not you crit.
    Then you try to find where: Known Crit Rate + Unknown (WS) crit rate = 100%

  3. #2683
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    Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but... How do you know when you crit? Mobs in abyssea aren't ronfaure rabbits, so can't be oneshotted with the first hit of the WS... Do I have to calculate the damage the WS would do with all crits and look for when it doesn't get to that amount?

  4. #2684
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    Quote Originally Posted by transmit View Post
    For someone who has never done a .dat swap before, is it possible to replace the Abyssea confluxes with some other model to get rid of that horrible lag they cause? If so which file is the conflux? and whats an appropriate file to replace it with?
    i need to do that too actually. how about a moogle? there is a bunch of weird dats you can use at ffximc.com (edit: or here)
    you just copy the .dat file over top of the old one. i would back up the old one first (just rename it).
    i dont know precisely which dat file contains the conflux though...

  5. #2685
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    Yeah I believe my problem here is finding what .dat is a moogle NPC, and what .dat is the flux.

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  7. #2687
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    friend of mine brought this up, relating to 492 or 480 delay Drg 6hits. For these, were talking about the idea of using Ace's Mail to free up the leg slot for haste and subsequently using AF3 legs with their 10% crit damage. Would this be worthwhile do you think, and any ideas on ideal set? I believe he's using a 480 delay (Str magian) lance.

    I guess I'll tack this on the end too, for a 504 OAT lance, would 6hitting using ace's mail and AF3+2 legs in a similar way be worthwhile? Or would 5hitting still reign supreme?

  8. #2688
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    Assault/Nyzul still require 3 or more, correct? Would like to get my dual-box char some clears.

  9. #2689
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Wonderful <3!

  10. #2690
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    Dyna exp, does it say "x amount of exp remaining"? cause I'm killing shit and it's not giving me any notification or indication at all

  11. #2691
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    Yes it says "X objectives remain" to reflect how much exp is left on the trial.

  12. #2692
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    Yeah, you get X remaining notifications every kill. Are you wearing the relic piece with the trial on it when you kill the mobs?

  13. #2693
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodles355 View Post
    friend of mine brought this up, relating to 492 or 480 delay Drg 6hits. For these, were talking about the idea of using Ace's Mail to free up the leg slot for haste and subsequently using AF3 legs with their 10% crit damage. Would this be worthwhile do you think, and any ideas on ideal set? I believe he's using a 480 delay (Str magian) lance.

    I guess I'll tack this on the end too, for a 504 OAT lance, would 6hitting using ace's mail and AF3+2 legs in a similar way be worthwhile? Or would 5hitting still reign supreme?
    If it drops you a hit, it's never going to be worth it. If it doesn't drop you a hit... I still doubt it would be worth it outside of abyssea. Crit rate just isn't going to be high enough. Your crit rate in TP phase is going to be *maybe* 20% So with a 40/60 split, 10% crit damage is less than a 1% damage boost.

  14. #2694
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Dyna exp, does it say "x amount of exp remaining"? cause I'm killing shit and it's not giving me any notification or indication at all
    And you have to be in a certain zone as well, a lot of people over look that.

  15. #2695
    I'm more gentle than I look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martel View Post
    Yeah, you get X remaining notifications every kill. Are you wearing the relic piece with the trial on it when you kill the mobs?
    Yea, it's on, only body in all of my inventory so I don't even get outside of it and not getting any notification whatsoever

    Trial 5010 active

  16. #2696
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Dyna exp, does it say "x amount of exp remaining"? cause I'm killing shit and it's not giving me any notification or indication at all

    Are you in the right zone? I had that issue with my first piece.

    SAM body is Beau and Taz

  17. #2697
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    -.- friend dragged me into cop zone

  18. #2698
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    Thoughts on ideal Ukon WAR TP/WS/F.Cleave/PDT/MDT sets and possible alternatives to the best gear ?


    Thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galattea View Post
    Thoughts on ideal Ukon WAR TP/WS/F.Cleave/PDT/MDT sets and possible alternatives to the best gear ?

    Thanks !
    TP sets:
    Quote Originally Posted by EjinCaitsith View Post
    Best sets I could put together for pure DPS in VW/Abyssea.

    Restraint Up
    Restraint Down
    Restraint Down, High Acc.
    PDT/MDT sets:
    PDT -- Earring -2PDT each, rings -6PDT each
    Simple MDT
    MDT + MDB

    Regen

    Will update with other sets, maybe.

  20. #2700
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodles355 View Post
    This is what I reckon perfect exenterator set would be, but I could be mistaken on some slots.
    ocelomeh+1, hyoui's gorget, the AGI+8 set earrings
    athos body, skadi hands, stormsoul x2
    atheling, crudelis, ambushers, and then af3+2 feet for Thf, or Athos Boots for Dnc

    a "good" set, could be something like
    ocelomeh NQ, arctiers, drone x2
    denali, skadi, stormsoul x2
    atheling, crudelis, ambushers, af3+2 for thf, the 10AGI AH boots for Dnc.
    Wouldnt brutal/agi earring be better than 2x agi earring?

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