Random Question Thread XXIV: #Occupy the RQT

**Neisan** · 2011-12-11 13:32

Originally Posted by Ratatapa

I doubt klimaform will be available /sch since it's an 'AF' but you never know

Klimaform is available /Sch and I use it on Rdm/Sch. and it lasts 3 minutes with Composure.

SE is supposed to boost Klima's duration in one of the Test server updates.

**Kamil** · 2011-12-11 13:37

Has anyone seen 100's drop off of those random beastman NMs that are up in Dyna-Bubu?

**urat** · 2011-12-11 15:21

Originally Posted by Diddy Kong

Considering who you are, no I wouldn't be surprised if you used AGI ring for evisceration. And yes I'm positive cauch+1 will beat ocelomeh, especially if +2 hat is beating it. Because 10.5 attack > 8 attack, in addition to WSC.

Ok so I wonder if the dps spreadsheet isnt taking the +6 skill into account them, lemme look it over.

**stewie** · 2011-12-11 15:25

Anything to see VNMs yet again or am I stuck resting?

**cdgreg** · 2011-12-11 16:11

Originally Posted by stewie

Anything to see VNMs yet again or am I stuck resting?

I stumbled upon this the other day and have not tried it myself, but just ask lsmates and they say it does not work. but anyways I guess you can try it: Spoilering it because I'm not sure if we're supposed to post links to 3rd pt app sites? If I'm not supposed to sorry and mod nuke

Spoiler: show

**stewie** · 2011-12-11 16:24

Thanks, works fine for me, seems like it sends a resting packet without actually resting as I popped a VNM with it and didn't rest lol.

**Neisan** · 2011-12-11 16:54

Originally Posted by urat

Ok so I wonder if the dps spreadsheet isnt taking the +6 skill into account them, lemme look it over.

Did you check the setup page for climactic being active? As I wrote before, that's the only time I have emp head winning. Remove climactic and Aias/Oco/Cuahitl were winning for Evis inside Abyssea.

**Gun-it** · 2011-12-11 16:57

How much Crit dmg do i need on byakko for it to beat 10agi inside abyssea for Blade hi?

**Mikus** · 2011-12-11 17:23

Exping right now and twice my chatlog states I lost cruor buffs and visitant status. Not sure what is going on. Anyone ever seen this? Maybe something to do with spellcast?

Spoiler: show

SC file. Just started working on it as it's no where near complete.

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Code:

<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<spellcast xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude">
    <config
        RequireVersion="2.18"
        ShowGearSwaps="false"
        Debug="true"
        ShowSpellInfo="false"
        />
    <sets>
        <group default="yes" name="Blu">
            <set name="Standard">
                <ammo>Mavi Tathlum</ammo>
                <head></head>
                <neck>Twilight Torque</neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear>Suppanomimi</rear>
                <body></body>
                <hands>Serpentes Cuffs</hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Epona's Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Twilight Belt</waist>
                <legs>Blood Cuisses</legs>
                <feet>Serpentus Sabots</feet>
            </set>
	
	<set name="town">
                <ammo>Mavi Tathlum</ammo>
                <head></head>
                <neck></neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear>Suppanomimi</rear>
                <body></body>
                <hands></hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Epona's Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Twilight Belt</waist>
                <legs></legs>
                <feet></feet>
            </set>
	     <set name="Utsu">
                <ammo></ammo>
                <head></head>
                <neck>Magoraga Beads</neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear>Suppanomimi</rear>
                <body></body>
                <hands>Dusk Gloves +1</hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Alert Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Twilight Belt</waist>
                <legs></legs>
                <feet></feet>
            </set>
    
            <set name="TP">
                <ammo></ammo>
                <head>Mavi Kavuk +1</head>
                <neck>Rancor Collar</neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear>Suppanomimi</rear>
                <body>Mavi Mintan +1</body>
                <hands>Dusk Gloves +1</hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Epona's Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Twilight Belt</waist>
                <legs>Mavi Tayt +2</legs>
                <feet></feet>
            </set>
            <set name="Evasion">
                <ammo></ammo>
                <head>Optical Hat</head>
                <neck></neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear>Suppanomimi</rear>
                <body>Scorpion Harness</body>
                <hands></hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Alert Ring</rring>
                <back></back>
                <waist></waist>
                <legs></legs>
                <feet></feet>
            </set>
            <set name="">
                <head></head>
                <neck></neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear></rear>
                <body></body>
                <hands></hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Epona's Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Anguinus Belt</waist>
                <legs></legs>
                <feet></feet>
            </set>
	    <set name="">
                <head></head>
                <neck>Rancor Collar</neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear></rear>
                <body></body>
                <hands></hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Epona's Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Anguinus Belt</waist>
                <legs></legs>
                <feet></feet>
            </set>
            <set name="">
                <head></head>
                <neck>Rancor Collar</neck>
                <lear>Moldavite Earring</lear>
                <rear>Hecate's Earring</rear>
                <body></body>
                <hands></hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Spiral Ring</rring>
                <back></back>
                <waist>Anguinus Belt</waist>
                <legs></legs>
                <feet></feet>
            </set>
            <set name="Waltz">
                <ammo></ammo>
                <head>Genbu's Kabuto</head>
                <neck></neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear></rear>
                <body>Kirin's Osode</body>
                <hands>Ample Gloves</hands>
                <lring>Sirona's Ring</lring>
                <rring>Spiral Ring</rring>
                <back></back>
                <waist></waist>
                <legs>Byakko's Haidate</legs>
                <feet></feet>
            </set>
            <set name="Magic">
                <lear>Hecate's Earring</lear>
                <rear>Moldavite Earring</rear>
                <body>Kirin's Osode</body>
                <hands>Iga Tekko +1</hands>
                <lring>Diamond Ring</lring>
                <rring>Spiral Ring</rring>
            </set>
        </group>
    </sets>
   
   <variables clear="true">
	   <var name="TPHands">Dusk Gloves +1</var>
           <var name="WSHands">Ochimusha Kote</var>
           <var name="TPLegs">Byakko's Haidate</var>
           <var name="IdleFeet">Danzo Sune-ate</var>
   </variables>

    <rules>
        <equip when="idle" set="Standard" />
        <equip when="engaged" set="TP" />
 
	<if buffactive="Visitant">
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIHands Seiryu's Kote" />
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIBody Loki's Kaftan" />
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIRing Stormsoul Ring" />
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIWaist Anguinus Belt" />
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIFeet Lithe Boots" />
	</if>
	<else>
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIHands Iga Tekko +1" />
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIBody Loki's Kaftan" />
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIRing Rajas Ring" />
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIWaist Cuchulain's Belt" />
			<action type="var" cmd="set HIFeet Lithe Boots" />
	</else>
 	

	<if area="Port*|Wind*|Aht*|Bastok*|Metalworks|Heaven's*|Southern*|Northern*">
		<action type="equip" when="idle" set="town" />
	</if>	

	<if spell="">
		<precastdelay delay="0.5" />
		<action type="equip" when="precast" set="" />
		<action type="equip" when="aftercast" set="TP" />
	</if>
	<if spell="">
		<action type="equip" when="precast" set="" />
		<action type="equip" when="aftercast" set="TP" />
	</if>
	<if spell="">
		<precastdelay delay="0.5" />
		<action type="equip" when="precast" set="" />
		<action type="equip" when="aftercast" set="TP" />
	</if>
	<if spell="">
		<precastdelay delay="0.5" />
		<action type="equip" when="precast" set="Waltz" />
		<action type="equip" when="aftercast" set="TP" />
	</if>
	<if spell="Utsusemi: NI">
		<action type="equip" when="precast" set="Utsu" />
		<action type="equip" when="midcast" set="Utsu" />
		<if Status="Engaged">
			<action type="equip" when="aftercast" set="TP" />
		</if>
		<else>
		<action type="equip" when="aftercast" set="standard" />
		</else> 
		</if>
	<if spell="Utsusemi: Ichi">
		<action type="equip" when="precast" set="Evasion" />
		<action type="equip" when="midcast" set="Utsu" />
		<!-- Cancel shadows for Ichi -->
		<midcastdelay delay="3.0" />
		<command when="midcast">cancel 66</command>
		<if Status="Engaged">
			<action type="equip" when="aftercast" set="TP" />
		</if>
		<else>
		<action type="equip" when="aftercast" set="standard" />
		</else> 
		</if>
    </rules>
</spellcast>

**cdgreg** · 2011-12-11 17:56

Can someone please post their COR Wildfire and /ra set? Thanks

edit: hell your QD and roll set as well if you dont mind.

**Buffy** · 2011-12-11 18:18

Cor Idle Set? Hermes Sandles/Dark Rings x2/Twilight Torque, lost after that.

**Buffy** · 2011-12-11 18:20

Originally Posted by cdgreg

Can someone please post their COR Wildfire and /ra set? Thanks

edit: hell your QD and roll set as well if you dont mind.

http://paste.windower.net/m6c31f322

Work in progress in terms of sets, but it's a good starting point.

And that spellcast doesn't work right, don't use it btw.

**Francisco** · 2011-12-11 18:22

If you WS with a Conserve TP piece, what's typically the range of TP you will Conserve if it procs?

**nivlakian** · 2011-12-11 18:38

Originally Posted by Mikus

Exping right now and twice my chatlog states I lost cruor buffs and visitant status. Not sure what is going on. Anyone ever seen this? Maybe something to do with spellcast?

Spoiler: show

It's just a random glitch of some kind that happens. Sometimes you'll see the it occur repeatedly every X seconds or just occasionally. Getting a time extension seems to fix it sometimes.

Originally Posted by Francisco

If you WS with a Conserve TP piece, what's typically the range of TP you will Conserve if it procs?

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Conserve_TP

**Koyangi** · 2011-12-11 18:54

What are the points in Blue Magic skill where the upgrades occur? I've seen examples used like for H2H and the base dmg upgrades. I'm trying to determine where I am in Blue Attack. Thanks.

**Soho** · 2011-12-11 19:11

Originally Posted by cdgreg

I stumbled upon this the other day and have not tried it myself, but just ask lsmates and they say it does not work. but anyways I guess you can try it: Spoilering it because I'm not sure if we're supposed to post links to 3rd pt app sites? If I'm not supposed to sorry and mod nuke

Spoiler: show

Anyone have an opinion on how sketchy this is to use?

**Galattea** · 2011-12-11 19:19

Seconding the COR gear sets question and adding a couple ones, if I may. Detonator/Slug sets and atmas if possible, I'm taking COR up and want to have a couple alternatives while I work on Leaden Salute/Wildfire.

**urat** · 2011-12-11 19:24

Originally Posted by Neisan

Did you check the setup page for climactic being active? As I wrote before, that's the only time I have emp head winning. Remove climactic and Aias/Oco/Cuahitl were winning for Evis inside Abyssea.

Well I did a once over, and it is even taking the +6 skill into account.

Overall Cuau head is giving me +6 skill and +7 str, so that works out to +10 attack vs +8 attack from af3+2 head. (the 7 str from head puts me at even amount in my WS build so it gives me +4 not +3)

7 dex roughly gives me +1 base damage though, but then what is important to note is the store tp on the head.

So overall Cuau head gives me +3 attack and +1 base damage if Im using food. Compared to AF3+2 head's store tp+7 and the 1% chance of dealing double damage, I think this is what is pushing it ahead on the sheet.

But you can feel free to look at the values here, I have a side by side comparison of identical builds, one with cuau+1 and one with charis+2, if you can find the flaw in the math then that'd be awesome.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B1C...Q5OWEzNTEzM2Nk

**Prothescar** · 2011-12-11 19:51

Originally Posted by Koyangi

What are the points in Blue Magic skill where the upgrades occur? I've seen examples used like for H2H and the base dmg upgrades. I'm trying to determine where I am in Blue Attack. Thanks.

Blue Magic Base Damage = floor(Blue Magic Skill * 0.11)*2 + 3

Blue Magic Attack = Blue Magic Skill + floor(STR/2) + 8

Essentially capped skill + 8/8 merits, Mavi tayt +2, Magus Jubbah +1, and Mavi tathlum will be all you should ever be using for spells that are not a stoneskin or debuff.

Originally Posted by cdgreg

Can someone please post their COR Wildfire and /ra set? Thanks

edit: hell your QD and roll set as well if you dont mind.

Originally Posted by Galattea

Seconding the COR gear sets question and adding a couple ones, if I may. Detonator/Slug sets and atmas if possible, I'm taking COR up and want to have a couple alternatives while I work on Leaden Salute/Wildfire.

Snapshot

Ranged TP

Quick Draw

Detonator

Slug Shot

Leaden Salute

Wildfire

Easy to make, semi-cheap sets. Probably not top tier, but won't do you wrong.

**Neisan** · 2011-12-11 19:53

Originally Posted by urat

Well I did a once over, and it is even taking the +6 skill into account.

Overall Cuau head is giving me +6 skill and +7 str, so that works out to +10 attack vs +8 attack from af3+2 head. (the 7 str from head puts me at even amount in my WS build so it gives me +4 not +3)

7 dex roughly gives me +1 base damage though, but then what is important to note is the store tp on the head.

So overall Cuau head gives me +3 attack and +1 base damage if Im using food. Compared to AF3+2 head's store tp+7 and the 1% chance of dealing double damage, I think this is what is pushing it ahead on the sheet.

But you can feel free to look at the values here, I have a side by side comparison of identical builds, one with cuau+1 and one with charis+2, if you can find the flaw in the math then that'd be awesome.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B1C...Q5OWEzNTEzM2Nk

Not sure what the problem you're having is then, with the sheet I downloaded all I had to do was set Flourish III in setup section to 'NONE' and Emp head was easily behind other options.

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