2011 MLB Offseason Discussion - Rangers choking edition

[Cail]

2012 Hall of Fame Class:

Barry Larkin.

looks like thats it

[Headspace]

F yeah

[Cail]

Barry Larkin 495 (86.4%), Jack Morris 382 (66.7%), Jeff Bagwell 321 (56.0%), Lee Smith 290 (50.6%), Tim Raines 279 (48.7%), Edgar Martinez 209 (36.5%), Alan Trammell 211 (36.8%), Fred McGriff 137 (23.9%), Larry Walker 131 (22.9%), Mark McGwire 112 (19.5%), Don Mattingly 102 (17.8%), Dale Murphy 83 (14.5%), Rafael Palmeiro 72 (12.6%), Bernie Williams 55 (9.6%), Juan Gonzalez 23 (4.0%), Vinny Castilla 6 (1.0%), Tim Salmon 5 (0.9%), Bill Mueller 4 (0.7%), Brad Radke 2 (0.3%), Javy Lopez 1 (0.2%), Eric Young 1 (0.2%), Jeromy Burnitz 0, Brian Jordan 0, Terry Mulholland 0, Phil Nevin 0, Ruben Sierra 0, Tony Womack 0.

[Bregor]

Will be interesting to see Bagwell and Walker's totals. Still think McGwire and Raffy will be way down because of the 'roids, and Edgar Martinez because of DHing.

[Cail]

bump cuz i editd after breggy posted

[Bregor]

Bagwell will get it eventually I think. Ugh, no love for Larry Walker. He was probably one of the best 2 or 3 outfielders of that generation. Fred McGriff is kind of a joke, definitely Hall of Very Good material, and played on a lot of good teams with playoff visibility.

Who are the four guys who voted for Bill Mueller? rofl

[Melena]

Fucking retarded. Trammel, Raines, Martinez, and Bagwell should also be in. And fuck those writers who are judge, jury and executioner on who may or may not have taken roids. If drug abusing wife beating alcoholics can be in cause that's what that era was about, roiders should be in as well.

[Cail]

when bagwell makes it, im going to cooperstown for the ceremony. was my favorite player growing up (after donnie baseball) and hes from 1 town over from me. would be awesome to get biggio+bagwell in together

[archibaldcrane]

Bagwell will get it eventually I think. Ugh, no love for Larry Walker. He was probably one of the best 2 or 3 outfielders of that generation. Fred McGriff is kind of a joke, definitely Hall of Very Good material, and played on a lot of good teams with playoff visibility.

Who are the four guys who voted for Bill Mueller? rofl

meh, walker was a product of coors field, he would've been good but never great on a team other than the rockies.

[archibaldcrane]

Fucking retarded. Trammel, Raines, Martinez, and Bagwell should also be in. And fuck those writers who are judge, jury and executioner on who may or may not have taken roids. If drug abusing wife beating alcoholics can be in cause that's what that era was about, roiders should be in as well.

Bagwell will get in, just not first ballot.

[Bregor]

Fucking retarded. Trammel, Raines, Martinez, and Bagwell should also be in. And fuck those writers who are judge, jury and executioner on who may or may not have taken roids. If drug abusing wife beating alcoholics can be in cause that's what that era was about, roiders should be in as well.

The Hall should remove all pitchers from the 60s and 70s due to performance enhancing higher-pitcher's-mounds.

[Cail]

i hope biggio gets in, same year as bagwell..thatd be sick..killer b's for life!

[Melena]

Bagwell and Raines not being voted in are the two that probably piss me off the most. Raines was the best SB/Leadoff Hitter not named Rickey Henderson during his time, and his SB % destroyed Rickey's. Trammel should hopefully get in the next year or two as his stats were pretty close to Larkin's. Morris had a good jump again, but he's only got a few years left, don't know if he's going to make it. Martinez also annoys me. He played DH cause it was available. He was that good of a hitter that Seattle would have stuck him at third base and dealt with his defensive inefficiencies if they had to and he would have been a first ballot HOFer. And who the fuck voted for Eric Young and Javy Lopez but didn't vote for Mullholand.

[Cail]

problem with future hall of fame ballots is this:

Future Eligibles:
Class of 2013
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker
Class of 2014
Moises Alou, Armando Benitez, Sean Casey, Jose Cruz Jr., Ray Durham, Damion Easley, Jim Edmonds, Keith Foulke, Eric Gagne, Tom Glavine, Luis Gonzalez, Mark Grudzielanek, Scott Hatteberg, Jacque Jones, Todd Jones, Jeff Kent, Jon Lieber, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Lo Duca, Greg Maddux, Matt Morris, Mike Mussina, Trot Nixon, Hideo Nomo, Jay Payton, Kenny Rogers, Richie Sexson, J.T. Snow, Shannon Stewart, Frank Thomas, Mike Timlin, Steve Trachsel, Jose Vidro
Class of 2015
Rich Aurilia, Aaron Boone, Paul Byrd, Tony Clark, Carlos Delgado, David Dellucci, Jermaine Dye, Alan Embree, Darin Erstad, Kelvim Escobar, Cliff Floyd, Nomar Garciaparra, Brian Giles, Tom Gordon, Eddie Guardado, Randy Johnson, Mark Loretta, Pedro Martinez, Ramon Martinez, Doug Mientkiewicz, Kevin Millar, Troy Percival, B.J. Ryan, Jason Schmidt, Gary Sheffield, John Smoltz, Julian Tavarez, Jarrod Washburn, David Weathers
Class of 2016
Garret Anderson, Brad Ausmus, Ken Griffey Jr., Mark Grudzielanek, Trevor Hoffman, Andy Pettitte, Mike Sweeney, Billy Wagner

[Bregor]

i hope biggio gets in, same year as bagwell..thatd be sick..killer b's for life!

Biggio will definitely get in, probably second ballot like Larkin. Some writers are just dicks about "nobody deserves to be first ballot."

[archibaldcrane]

Next year will be interesting. I'm curious how many writers are going to try to keep the best baseball player ever out of the HOF.

[Bregor]

Next year will be interesting. I'm curious how many writers are going to try to keep the best baseball player ever out of the HOF.

"But he was real mean to us. " - BBWAA

[Rhinox]

Bill mueller got 4 votes?

Peter gammons has some splaining to do.

[Rhinox]

Pedro Gomes voted for bill mueller

[Azull]

I would like to hear why the people who didnt vote for Bagwell didnt. He might have used roids even though there has been zero evidence shouldnt be reason to not vote for someone who was one of the best 1st basemen ever.