Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the internet.

[Demosthenes]

It's his default reaction when people start to disagree.

And the reason why you are an idiot also manifests itself. I am certain you are being factual.

[Valisk]

It's his default reaction when people start to disagree.

Seems like it's a lot of people's default reaction on the internet. If he doesn't listen to my "stop that", then go get my belt. The big one.

I am curious what kind of precedent this will set if this actually ends in a trial.

You must be used to getting the same thing.

Yea, lol. A lot!

[hey]

You must be used to getting the same thing. No worries. Your mettle has been measured as well. It is one thing to disagree, it is another to be the idiot that insists your way is the only right way.

And arguing against established Science when they have no idea what they are talking about beyond "PERSONAL EXPERIENCE SAYS I'M RIGHT" doesn't make someone an idiot at all.

[Demosthenes]

And arguing against established Science when they have no idea what they are talking about beyond "PERSONAL EXPERIENCE SAYS I'M RIGHT" doesn't make someone an idiot at all.

Established science? See what I'm talking about. 1. Not a hard science, therefore not factual. Guideline perhaps. 100% correct? Not in the slightest.
2. Point me in the direction of your research and I'll show you a biased study.
3. Personal experience does say I am right. Nobody can quantify my life specifically but me.

[hey]

3. Personal experience does say I am right. Nobody can quantify my life specifically but me.

Actually you cannot do it either. You have no idea how you would be different if you weren't beat as a kid.

Also, your personal experience does not tell you anything. Same reason as above.

2. Point me in the direction of your research and I'll show you a biased study.

You can find it just as easily as i can.

[Demosthenes]

Actually you cannot do it either. You have no idea how you would be different if you weren't beat as a kid.

Also, your personal experience does not tell you anything. Same reason as above.

You can find it just as easily as i can.

I have a pretty good idea of where I was headed till I got sent to boarding school. As for my experience not telling me anything, LOL! Clearly I have learned nothing in life since experience teaches nothing obviously. Finally, you brought up the science, not me. You want to use it? Lay it out as proof or clap that shit shut.

[Valisk]

Actually you cannot do it either. You have no idea how you would be different if you weren't beat as a kid.

Also, your personal experience does not tell you anything. Same reason as above.

He can tell you what worked for him but can't tell you that the other thing wouldn't have worked. So at best, it could come down to they both work. Then you'd be arguing that punishment A is better than punishment B and that's discretionary even if they achieve the same result.

[Demosthenes]

He can tell you what worked for him but can't tell you that the other thing wouldn't have worked. So at best, it could come down to they both work. Then you'd be arguing that punishment A is better than punishment B and that's discretionary even if they achieve the same result.

I can tell you I got worse when that was tried and boarding school was the final resort. That and canings by teachers and upper classment put me right in my place. Learned to be a fair and obedient little fuck. By the time I hit 15 I was being told I acted like an adult by strangers.

[hey]

He can tell you what worked for him

No he can't. For all he knows, he could have been better off not receiving any punishment at all. He cannot go back in time and try again a different way, so his one experience is completely meaningless. You cannot learn anything with a single sample. The results could have been entirely random.

As for my experience not telling me anything, LOL!

How does your experience prove anything? You could have ended up in the same position as you are now just by growing up and allowing your brain to fully develop.

[Demosthenes]

Perhaps Val sees better why I deemed you an idiot.

[hey]

Is it because you hate things you don't understand?

[Chun Liroy]

And this is why I hate psychology.

[Demosthenes]

Is it because you hate things you don't understand?

I don't agree with you and you come off like an idiot. I call you an idiot and suddenly I hate you? Presume much? I have no idea who the fuck you are. You don't have a real or measurable impact on my life. As always a presumptious idiot.

[hey]

I don't agree with you and you come off like an idiot. I call you an idiot and suddenly I hate you? Presume much? I have no idea who the fuck you are. You have don't have a real impact on my life. As always a presumptious idiot.

I was actually referring to psychology, but ok.

[Melena]

Jesus christ Hey, give it a rest. Every time you open your mouth in this thread, the amount of retardery grows. And I don't need science to back that up.

[Valisk]

Perhaps Val sees better why I deemed you an idiot.

I'm constructing a little white flag as we speak.

[Demosthenes]

I was actually referring to psychology, but ok.

Point stands.

[Talint]

It is bad, but I can't say why.

So yeah, I have empathy for the daughter.

You want me to articulate my feelings? Cause I will, but I'd rather leave that for my shrink.

[Caiyuo]

Comparatively hey doesn't really look like he's coming out the worse here, the wave of name-calling just making the arguments look more completely fucking made up by dudes on the internet as usual. I can't tell if the argument is based around where spanking and abuse meet or any corporal punishment at this point, but unless you consider Dr. Drew a quack or an illegitimate TV doctor or something he seems to have made the best case currently for opting to choose other methods to shape behavior and punish. To not choose fear over understanding. But if that's the case then:

http://www.naturalchild.org/research...unishment.html
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releas.../spanking.aspx
http://www.cmaj.ca/content/161/7/805.long
http://www.phoenixchildrens.com/PDFs...discipline.pdf (PDF)
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...nt/125/5/e1057
http://www.livestrong.com/article/21...nt-on-a-child/
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...983895,00.html

Not all of these are definitive in concluding that spanking will fuck your child up, but the body of evidence collected at the very fucking least suggests that there's a fair chance you will be doing harm to both a child and potentially yourself when choosing corporal punishment. One would hope that chance is enough of an incentive to choose something else.

Also, shocker

Why, with all this evidence about the destructive effects of physically painful punishments, do so many people continue to believe that the only alternative to hitting children is to negligently allow them to do as they please? And that what they please is always delinquent, if not outright criminal?

At the National Center for the Study of Corporal Punishment at Temple University in Philadelphia a large research project inquired of adults the reasons for their beliefs, both pro- and anti-paddle. Most thought they had arrived at their belief logically, but in truth, the real determinant was their own childhood history. Those who had been spanked, paddled, switched, whipped etc. tended overwhelmingly to believed in it. Those who had not been hit, and had attended non-hitting schools, did not believe hitting did any good or were shocked and dismayed at the very idea. The action-language of our childhood overrides logic more often than not. Minds and habits do change, however, but it takes thoughtful assessment and considerable motivation even by people of goodwill.

in before state vs. wave of dudes who were saved from a life of crime

[Demosthenes]

You want me to articulate my feelings? Cause I will, but I'd rather leave that for my shrink.

Not interested in your feelings, interested in your opinions being quantified proper.