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[Timwakefield]

If you like piss, shit, blood, and vomit then nursing is where it's at!

But seriously, you can't go wrong in nursing. Tons of jobs everywhere. Job security foreverrr.

[Acturus]

If you like piss, shit, blood, and vomit then nursing is where it's at!

But seriously, you can't go wrong in nursing. Tons of jobs everywhere. Job security foreverrr.

The thing about nursing that no one really likes to talk about is the problem with retention of nurses. Yes, there's a shortage, but part of that shortage is a result of new nurses entering the workforce, staying for about two years, hating it, and then getting the hell out.

So the first half of this comment is probably more accurate than the second half.

[Cream Soda]

Long story semi long

I met a friend of mine in Calculus a few years back. Sat next to her half the semester, didn't exchange a single word. She was from Korea(here for 2 years at the time). One day, she randomly asks me to look over her English assignment. Then soon it was another, and then I'd read over her essays and what not.

Fast forward, she moves to CA and is coincidentally about 30 mins from my grandma's house, which is where I go every summer. So that following summer, she'd come over 2-3 times a week and I'd help her w/ her English. I'd have her read easy things out loud and make corrections where necessary, help w/ words she didn't understand, pronunciation, etc. Then we'd watch a kid's movie or something with low level English and we'd pause it when she didn't understand something. Then we'd just sit and talk for a while to get a natural conversation flowing.

Been doing this for the last couple summers and I always enjoy doing it

[AoE]

You slay her yet?

[Ace-o-fire]

The thing about nursing that no one really likes to talk about is the problem with retention of nurses. Yes, there's a shortage, but part of that shortage is a result of new nurses entering the workforce, staying for about two years, hating it, and then getting the hell out.

So the first half of this comment is probably more accurate than the second half.

The problem as a man even going in to a nursing program you are going to deal with gender discrimination right away. I switched through 5 different hospitals in 3 years in NJ due to some of the bullshit I had to deal with.

Also if you’re young and single and trying to date telling them you’re a nurse isn’t a plus point. When going on dates the conversation comes up about what I do, and I would say nursing. Their eyes widen and the mood seems to change. This is not related to women in the field but those outside. As soon as I utter the word nurse, I seem to go from a confident manly guy to a nice guy to them. That was something I was never told and had to deal with.

But there are a lot of positives with nursing. I can’t tell you how many jobs you can get after, pretty much anything in the healthcare industry is open for you, along with working in a private corporations medical divisions . I ended up making plenty of connections with people I worked with over the years. Last January I started up with several people a small Healthcare Business Consulting for smaller practices. So far it’s been going extremely well, but I'm just hoping to be bought out in the next couple of years.

[Reuniont]

The problem as a man even going in to a nursing program you are going to deal with gender discrimination right away. I switched through 5 different hospitals in 3 years in NJ due to some of the bullshit I had to deal with.

Did you get most of the discrimination from co-workers or from patients?

[Velgadess]

You slay her yet?

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[richardd]

The problem as a man even going in to a nursing program you are going to deal with gender discrimination right away. I switched through 5 different hospitals in 3 years in NJ due to some of the bullshit I had to deal with.

Also if you’re young and single and trying to date telling them you’re a nurse isn’t a plus point. When going on dates the conversation comes up about what I do, and I would say nursing. Their eyes widen and the mood seems to change. This is not related to women in the field but those outside. As soon as I utter the word nurse, I seem to go from a confident manly guy to a nice guy to them. That was something I was never told and had to deal with.

But there are a lot of positives with nursing. I can’t tell you how many jobs you can get after, pretty much anything in the healthcare industry is open for you, along with working in a private corporations medical divisions . I ended up making plenty of connections with people I worked with over the years. Last January I started up with several people a small Healthcare Business Consulting for smaller practices. So far it’s been going extremely well, but I'm just hoping to be bought out in the next couple of years.

how many years of overall schooling did you complete? and what medical school did you go to? man i have a million questions lol

what type of nurse of you? and how much did you spend on everything with schooling/medical school after it was all said and done?

and i can see your point. when i was growing up, nurses to me were always thought of as the assistants of doctors, not knowing they're actually 2 different categories altogether and work side by side lol.

is it easy to make friends in this field when you weren't being discriminated on?


ugh, sorry. didnt mean to spam you. i've had a hard time trying to find anyone to talk to about this. most of my friends who attempted this ended up dropping out lol

[Acturus]

The problem as a man even going in to a nursing program you are going to deal with gender discrimination right away. I switched through 5 different hospitals in 3 years in NJ due to some of the bullshit I had to deal with.

Also if you’re young and single and trying to date telling them you’re a nurse isn’t a plus point. When going on dates the conversation comes up about what I do, and I would say nursing. Their eyes widen and the mood seems to change. This is not related to women in the field but those outside. As soon as I utter the word nurse, I seem to go from a confident manly guy to a nice guy to them. That was something I was never told and had to deal with.

But there are a lot of positives with nursing. I can’t tell you how many jobs you can get after, pretty much anything in the healthcare industry is open for you, along with working in a private corporations medical divisions . I ended up making plenty of connections with people I worked with over the years. Last January I started up with several people a small Healthcare Business Consulting for smaller practices. So far it’s been going extremely well, but I'm just hoping to be bought out in the next couple of years.

Every job has it's positives and its negatives, I agree with that. Men are gender-challenged when it comes to the field of nursing, but given the OMGWTFBBQ shortages that everyone agrees nursing has in terms of potential employees, discrimination is somewhat offset by the need to fill nursing slots (*snicker*).

I agree with your comment about the positives. If it's a job you like, then yeah, stars align and all that jazz. My cousin-in-law completed his Doctorate in Nursing a couple of years ago, and he's been in the profession for about 15 years, starting when he went for his Associates in Nursing. Every few years, he decided to go back for more schooling.

I just know that a lot of the conversations I'm hearing both academically and professionally tend to mention that the state of nursing in the US today finds that nurses are often educated without really getting exposed to the job, and then end up hating it (because of the hours, or the icky bodily fluids, or the fact that they're treated like servents, etc. etc.) and quit after only a couple of years. The lucky ones move up into middle management, or leave to teach nursing at colleges instead.

Nursing has employment shortages, but also has retention challenges. It's one of those "make sure you know what you're getting into" fields.

[Ace-o-fire]

Did you get most of the discrimination from co-workers or from patients?

A lot of the discrimination I got was from the upper management, not so much the nurses around my age, generally any of the ladies over 40 would be trouble.

Never really ran in to much of an issue with patients, every once in a while we would get older ladies who or men who would have a snide comment every once in a while, or ask for a different nurse.

how many years of overall schooling did you complete? and what medical school did you go to? man i have a million questions lol

Took me 5 and a half years of schooling, but this was more because during my first two years I was working fulltime to make money for college while I was at Oakland university.

All the Colleges I attended have separate schools for nursing that where accredited by CCNE. I never really dealt with any medical school since I just got my BSN right from Michigan State. But I did have to take examination after I got my degree to become a RN. I will say though that BSN definitely prepares you for jobs outside of the hospital.

what type of nurse of you? and how much did you spend on everything with schooling/medical school after it was all said and done?

During my last year I worked in Critical Care (ICU, Emergency department), but I had to take the CCRN Exam (Critical Care Nurse Examination). Ya need, if I remember something like 2000 hours on the job before you’re eligible for the exam. This is pretty much what I was working towards if I was going to continue my career in nursing. With that ya can work in areas such as emergency departments, ICUs, CCUs, cardiac/surgical ICUs, critical care transport/flight, medical/surgical ICUs, respiratory ICUs, NICUs, PICUs, neuro/neurosurgical ICUs, trauma units and surgical ICUs.

I paid around 125,000 – 140,000 all said and done. I ended up paying for most of it 110,000 out of pocket from working, the rest I took out as loans, that I was able to pay back in the first year.

is it easy to make friends in this field when you weren't being discriminated on?

Absolutely, when you’re working in tandem with younger folks during 10-12 hour days 4-5 days a week you start to develop these really nice friendships with people. Working in such a high stress environment you really do see all the colors a person has to offer. Most of your friends will end up being female though and most will still think of you as “Gay” if ya know what I mean. Anything beyond being the male friend will most likely not happen. Most of my friends while I was working where young 22-30 years old. But like any place cliques will arise up among the people who work in certain departments but at some places they don’t really exist at others they are all over the place.

Nursing has employment shortages, but also has retention challenges. It's one of those "make sure you know what you're getting into" fields.

I will say that schools don’t really prepare you for the work that you’re going to asked to do. For the first month or so I was shell shocked because what I did in clinical while at school wasn’t much like what I was doing at work.

Also they don’t teach you about death, which is what really shocked me, the most. They will say if you screw up people will die, or that people will die in hospitals all the time, but nothing prepares you for it when you’re right next to a person who passes.

Really just in general the kind of fucked up shit you’ll see when working, they can’t teach you how to deal with that.

[archibaldcrane]

by the way, those girls aren't putting you in the friend zone exactly, they just think you're a homosexual

[Tyche]

I don't think you're going to have to deal with wages as low as 20-30k as a nurse. Around here, you start at around 40k a year right out of school (and I live in a place with a very low cost of living). You can almost make as much as you want. Anesthetists will start out at around 130,000 a year, a friend of mine makes over 200,000. Which reminds me, did you ever apply to an anesthesia program Ace? I'm assuming not since you went into consulting.

Also, you talked about surgery, but not wanting a redundant job. Surgery becomes redundant very quickly. I'd argue that you'd dislike a lot of the floors you'd be put on. Medical floors, surgical floors, surgery after the 5 billionth time, it's all becomes repetitive. There's a lot of options though, so you'd want to find something that fits you. Psych nursing perhaps? I know Rutgers has a really good infectious disease nursing program. If you're going to go into nursing, and it's a good field, have an idea what you want to do as a professional.

As far as time is concerned, you can become an RN in about two and a half years for the ADN. Work as an RN while getting your bachelors. Some colleges (Vanderbilt, for instance, $1600/hr) have an ADN to MSN program where you go straight into a masters degree from your associates. Anesthesia is a 70ish hour graduate program, but you have to have at least a year (more if you want to be competitive to get into a program) in a CCU.

[Ace-o-fire]

you start at around 40k a year right out of school (and I live in a place with a very low cost of living).

That's one of the reasons I moved out to NJ from Michigan. In Michigan i would have been making around 45k out of school with in NJ I was making 62k right out of school.

Which reminds me, did you ever apply to an anesthesia program Ace? I'm assuming not since you went into consulting.

When I finally got around to deiced weather or not to apply, I just recently got engaged which kind of pushed me over to not applying for sometime. Maybe in the next 3 or 4 years when everything in my life kind of settles down a bit. Getting married, buying a house, starting a small businesses and the amount of travailing Ive been doing kind of scared me away from applying because I wouldn't be 100% focused on it.

[Tyche]

I just know that a lot of the conversations I'm hearing both academically and professionally tend to mention that the state of nursing in the US today finds that nurses are often educated without really getting exposed to the job, and then end up hating it (because of the hours, or the icky bodily fluids, or the fact that they're treated like servents, etc. etc.) and quit after only a couple of years. The lucky ones move up into middle management, or leave to teach nursing at colleges instead.

Just to touch on this, there's actually nursing schools now that will log 100% of their clinical hours in a lab simulation. Students can get their ADN without ever touching a real patient. They'll practice caths, tubing, IVs, etc on a simulation mannequin. Sticking a vein on a mannequin with huge engorged veins is completely different than sticking a person. These kids graduate, pass the NCLEX, and are academically sound; they just never touch a real person until they start precepting. A lot of the tech schools are moving to this "layered learning" system. Needless to say, avoid at all costs.

[Cream Soda]

You slay her yet?

Negative, lol she just be a fran, and she married son.

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[archibaldcrane]

by the way, those girls aren't putting you in the friend zone exactly, they just think you're a homosexual

also having the name "Ace" isn't helping

[Mizango]

Wife is a pharmacist, get on my page and holla if you have specific questions, she has that shit down to a find art.

[Lucienne]

She's cute! I'm disappointed in you.

Anyway, teaching one sweet grown up and teaching a bunch of kids is quite different. You might want to try to interact with some real kids before throwing yourself into that situation, unless of course you want to teach adults, which however has other difficulties. Not trying to discourage you, just think you should be sure you know what you're getting into.

[Cream Soda]

Yea, was looking to teach older students