Transgendered Changing Rooms

[aduidarnenye]

you are so full of shit in your backpedaling it's great

I fail to see any backpedaling. I was told to deal with it or leave and change at different place with no responsibility to the sports facility to have a place for me to change.

it seems to me you are twisting what people are saying to try to make your argument sound right when that's not what they're saying at all.

What are they saying then?

[Ksandra]

What are they saying then?

that who gives a fuck if they use it or not, and even if you're uncomfortable with it, just suck it up or if you can't handle it use a bathroom stall.

not that hard.

[Demosthenes11]

OP is saying that the argument was that she should have to change in front of the tranny, yet the actual first post says she has the option of changing elsewhere. OP is doing a fuckton of backpedaling and doing everything to avoid arguments. I'm going to go ahead and call bigot

[archibaldcrane]

It seems, however, that there are people who believe that I absolutely should feel comfortable with this situation and if I do not I've got various psychological problems, and am a bigot and transphobic.

Who gives a shit what they say?

You are transphobic though, because you think it's right to ask for a separate changing room. If you just felt uncomfortable, but knew inside that it wouldn't be right to do it another way, then great - you're just experiencing normal human aversion to the unknown.

[Ksandra]

I was told to deal with it or leave and change at different place with no responsibility to the sports facility to have a place for me to change.

sport facilities DO give you a different place to change (stall)...how is this not getting into your head?

[Pirian]

And I will repeat again that that a different location to change is an acceptable solution for me. Why, however, is not feeling comfortable in revealing my body to someone else, regardless of gender, the bigoted choice?

Because it isn't regardless of their gender. You specifically have a problem because someone has a penis. Someone who isn't attracted/isn't going to be looking at you/doesn't care about your existence.

If you indeed have a problem changing in front of ALL people, then no, you are not a bigot, but you were arguing from a bigoted perspective this entire argument until you revealed this, and should stop because you don't actually believe it. If this is truly the problem, then you should (and everybody who is uncomfortable changing in front of others) not change in front of others, and instead use a stall. Come on, this isn't rocket science.

[Shade]

I see things that make me uncomfortable all the time.

Fat people walking around the mall with a giant soft drink in one hand and a burger in the other. Women in public bathrooms that talk loudly to eachother through the stalls while they are both peeing. Tiny people walking giant dogs they can't control. People in front of me at Subway who pile mustard/mayo/cucumbers on their sandwiches. Unfortunate haircuts. Ugly shirts. Babies getting breastfed. Babies in general. Fuck babies, man...

The point is, society is learning to tolerate other people. If you expect society to mutate around you so that you are never less than 100% comfortable, I don't know what to tell you.

[zoobernut]

I fail to see any backpedaling. I was told to deal with it or leave and change at different place with no responsibility to the sports facility to have a place for me to change.



What are they saying then?

This is the part that makes you a bigot, thinking it is the businesses responsibility to accommodate you, they provide a place to change, you have the choice to use it or not but if you chose to not use it for whatever personal reasons you have don't think they need to give you special treatment.

Edit: not to mention the fact that yes indeed you can change in a bathroom stall as an alternative to changing in front of other people.

[Pirian]

what you have right now is what you are.

Except, it isn't, and the science reflect this.

[aduidarnenye]

OP is saying that the argument was that she should have to change in front of the tranny, yet the actual first post says she has the option of changing elsewhere. OP is doing a fuckton of backpedaling and doing everything to avoid arguments. I'm going to go ahead and call bigot

I meant that I was told to leave the facility entirely to change, not find another place in the same facility. That it was not the responsibility of the facility to provide a place for me to change if I did not want to change in the female locker room due to a pre-op transgendered individual being in there. The suggested bathroom stall is acceptable, but not ideal, and I did not think of this as a location earlier.

[archibaldcrane]

I meant that I was told to leave the facility entirely to change, not find another place in the same facility. That it was not the responsibility of the facility to provide a place for me to change if I did not want to change in the female locker room due to a fucking nigger being in there. The suggested bathroom stall is acceptable, but not ideal, and I did not think of this as a location earlier.

how is this any different, really - tell me how it's different

[aduidarnenye]

This is the part that makes you a bigot, thinking it is the businesses responsibility to accommodate you, they provide a place to change, you have the choice to use it or not but if you chose to not use it for whatever personal reasons you have don't think they need to give you special treatment.

Edit: not to mention the fact that yes indeed you can change in a bathroom stall as an alternative to changing in front of other people.

Should there be a reasonable expectation that the individuals in the changing room provided have similar genitalia to your own, should the business post signs explaining that pre-op transgendered women are allowed to change in those changing rooms, or should people simply expect that any woman present may be a pre-op transexual woman?

[Ksandra]

I meant that I was told to leave the facility entirely to change, not find another place in the same facility. That it was not the responsibility of the facility to provide a place for me to change if I did not want to change in the female locker room due to a pre-op transgendered individual being in there. The suggested bathroom stall is acceptable, but not ideal, and I did not think of this as a location earlier.

ya you're a bigot if you think the gym has to make a whole new room for you ONLY because of penis.

I wonder why the stall isn't ideal either, as demo said earlier how many fucking times do you think you'd have to hide from these penises anyway?

hell, I'm fat, when I first started going to the gym I used the stall anytime there were a bunch of other women there because I figured they wouldn't want to see my rolls. WHY DON'T I GET THE SPECIAL ROOM?

[Demosthenes11]

I meant that I was told to leave the facility entirely to change, not find another place in the same facility. That it was not the responsibility of the facility to provide a place for me to change if I did not want to change in the female locker room due to a pre-op transgendered individual being in there. The suggested bathroom stall is acceptable, but not ideal, and I did not think of this as a location earlier.

I only want to change in a room that is exactly 85 degrees F and has 1 window 8 feet from the floor facing west. This is ridiculous that the facility does not provide this, as it's something that I want

[aduidarnenye]

how is this any different, really - tell me how it's different

There are many different shades of skin colour but only two different sets of genitalia. It's pretty clear cut what is male genitalia and what is female genitalia, with some allowance for minor variations.

I would not want to view a naked black penis as much as a naked white penis or a naked Asian penis equally.

[archibaldcrane]

Should there be a reasonable expectation that the individuals in the changing room provided have similar genitalia to your own, should the business post signs explaining that pre-op transgendered women are allowed to change in those changing rooms, or should people simply expect that any woman present may be a pre-op transexual woman?

The expectation is that there are women in the women's changing room, and men in the men's changing room.

Which is what you're describing and having a hard time dealing with.

[aduidarnenye]

ya you're a bigot if you think the gym has to make a whole new room for you ONLY because of penis.

I wonder why the stall isn't ideal either, as demo said earlier how many fucking times do you think you'd have to hide from these penises anyway?

Aren't female locker rooms created because of penis and male locker rooms created because of vagina to begin with?

As for not ideal, it's definitely not easy to change in a bathroom stall.

I suspect very few times I will ever have to encounter this situation. That does not make it any less interesting for me.

[archibaldcrane]

It's kinda funny because it says "Women's locker room" right there on the sign, not "people with vaginas, breasts and not penises locker room"

[archibaldcrane]

Aren't female locker rooms created because of penis and male locker rooms created because of vagina to begin with?

no

[Flarega]

What about penn state administrators in the locker room