Kansas Teen refuses to apologize for Tweet against Govenor

[Guyverarmor]

If she apologized, then the terrorists win...

I lol'ed.

Honestly, glad she did speak out. Wish people would do that here about Perry and how fucking dumb he is.

[Plow]

Except we're not talking about when you went to school. Your example is out of touch with the reality of the current world very similar to the staffers on this governor's staff that over reacted. It's simple. Schools have no right to censor the speech of either their professors, which is why they get tenure to protect them from that very thing, and their students in the aforementioned Tinker case. Just because she is representing her school doesn't mean that she can't form a political view and have that view constitutionally protected because she's in highschool. Being controversial and diverse, including political views, is a constitutionally praised and accepted concept. Supreme Court says so. Just because she voiced her opinion and more people happened to hear about doesn't mean its any less protected under the first amendment.

How were her first amendment rights violated?

A school telling you to write a letter of apology for insulting someone they provided you the privilege of meeting?


You guys are blowing this shit way, WAY out of proportion, all I see is a bunch of morons so desperate to "stick it to the man" that you're turning something completely reasonable into some horrifying atrocity.

I mean, what the fuck, if she hadn't gone to the news about it SHE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN DETENTION OH MY GOD!

What's your problem with this, Plow? Legally, you're wrong. You've been shown you're wrong by several people here. There is a massive amount of legal precedent here. Your first post was questioning why people were upset about something. We then showed you why. Then rather than going "Yeah, ok, I get it." You continue to defend your point. You're wrong, man. People have a right to be upset about this (However small this issue may be.) If you still don't get why, then you're delusional. You're facing evidence, and willingly ignoring it. This seems to be how almost all of the super-rightwing people are here. Fucking delusional.

Evidence of what? You're telling me there's legal precedent that says a school can't ask someone to write a letter of apology for using school events to be a fucking moron?

If they had tried to expel her or something, you guys would have a point. They told her to write a fucking apology letter OH GAWD FIRST THEY COME FOR YOUR RANDOM IDIOT INSULTS THEN THEY COME FOR YOUR FIRSTBORN!


And yeah, I'm a super hardcore right winger, as everyone knows.

You're joking, right? Shawnee Mission still sucks despite being the top district in the Metro area. At least it's not Argentine or Turner.

edit: Also Plow, regardless of what she said she had a right to say it. She should not have been told to apologize by anybody, even if she was 'representing her school' as a student. She has a right to disagree with that jackass' policies.

You can't tell me you like Brownback. He's done nothing but fuck up Kansas education since he was elected. Or did you forget the districts that were shut down and/or merged? Let's not forget the funding cuts he wants for state financial aid:

www.ksedpolicy.com/?p=297

I mean, fuck sake, we're already sitting at almost a 10% tax. Now they want to justify cutting state aid instead of maybe getting the potheads out of Leavenworth and quit wasting taxpayer money on shitty cops that camp lights while assholes pull wheelies around 435?

Come on now.

Kansas schools are terrible, but at least Shawnee has money heh.

Brownback is an absolute piece of shit, in fact this is not something I wouldn't have done. Would take a pretty serious level of idiocy to go to the news about it when there were consequences, though.

[Melena]

So because the school sent her and other students there, your saying they are not allowed to voice an opinion about the governor they met? Wow plow, that may be the most retarded thing i've ever seen come out of your mouth.

[Plow]

Where did I say or imply that they're not allowed to voice an opinion?

Half the schools I went to you'd get in trouble just for using the word sucks, let alone supposedly telling someone your school provided the opportunity to meet with to their face that they suck.

[Greatguardian]

Where did I say or imply that they're not allowed to voice an opinion?

Half the schools I went to you'd get in trouble just for using the word sucks, let alone supposedly telling someone your school provided the opportunity to meet with to their face that they suck.

It seems like a lot of people are missing the part where she never actually even talked to the governor.

This whole thing was about a tweet about an inside joke about something she never actually did.

[Tyche]

Just out of curiosity, did none of you have to sign a social networking clause which limited what you could say, without punishment, regarding school related administrators and functions?

[Greatguardian]

Not when I was in high school, no. We had to sign some internet responsibility agreement, but that pretty much only applied to looking up porn using the school computers.

[Melena]

Not when I was in highschool, but then again I probably graduated before some of you were even born. My keyboarding classes (that I sold my assignments to since everything was saved on floppy) was using Apple 2e's and we just opened an IBM Clone lab with 486's that we used to dick around playing doom and wing commander on when the teachers wern't around the last semester before I graduated. Extent of our internet back then was BBS' and Prodigy. So yea, thanks for making me feel old Tyche and reminding me next year is 15 years since graduation

[Blarg]

Back in my day we had to sign a stone tablet that we would not use the fires to send swear words via smoke signals to our distant neighbours

[Jeryhn]

How were her first amendment rights violated?
...You guys are blowing this shit way, WAY out of proportion...

Yeah, but Plow, you gotta understand: It begins with baby steps. A forced apology here, a forced apology there. There doesn't even actually need to be consequences, just the impression of them. Next thing you know, there suddenly are consequences for speaking out of line of authority. Then it snowballs right up until your rights are officially traded away.

Fact of the matter is, the Kansas governor's staff tried to discourage her from employing her rights according to the mandates our country is based upon, so she simply got louder, and the governor was consequently further embarassed. That is how things should be for people who would deign use their power for their own advantage over the people they are meant to represent. Give the kid a fucking medal.

[Melena]

Where did I say or imply that they're not allowed to voice an opinion?

Half the schools I went to you'd get in trouble just for using the word sucks, let alone supposedly telling someone your school provided the opportunity to meet with to their face that they suck.

How were her first amendment rights violated?

A school telling you to write a letter of apology for insulting someone they provided you the privilege of meeting?


You guys are blowing this shit way, WAY out of proportion, all I see is a bunch of morons so desperate to "stick it to the man" that you're turning something completely reasonable into some horrifying atrocity.

I mean, what the fuck, if she hadn't gone to the news about it SHE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN DETENTION OH MY GOD!

Also at least out in california when I was in school, teachers were happy when the worst words out of your mouth were sucks or damns.

[Ksandra]

plow you are being retarded. Using your note example, the kids would be in trouble for passing notes.

It doesn't seem like she was punished at all for using her phone when she shouldn't have been. If this had just been a "you got caught using your phone when it's against school policy to carry one on a trip so here's a detention," then there would be no news story. The governor and principle made no issue over her having a phone, just that she said bad things about the governor. Which is stupid.

[Kerberoz]

"My principal told me he needed to do damage control and was really upset," Sullivan said. "He said I was an embarrassment to the school and the school district and that I had been disrespectful."

following the media attention, her Twitter follower count has rocketed from 65 to more than 4,000 in the last week.

Streisand Effect in action!

[Niiro]

First thought: must be a slow news day in Kansas.

Second thought: it's Kansas, outside of the occasional tornado this is probably all they've got.

Third thought: Plow seems to be under the impression that being an elected official entitles you to some amount of respect.

[Blarg]

RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!!!!!

[Plow]

Third thought: Plow seems to be under the impression that being an elected official entitles you to some amount of respect.

how are you people coming up with this shit?

Learning how to behave yourself at school functions means being an elected official entitles you to respect?


Sorry guys, but I just went and checked, the supreme court verdict on the case of State of California v Joseph M. "Bazooka Joe" Blow sets the precedent that not only are schools allowed to determine what goes in your mouth while you're under their responsibility, but due to the effect of bubble blowing on the concentration levels of a classroom, they're also provided the ability to regulate what comes out of it.



Also, yeah, it was dumb as fuck but both of the elementary/middle schools I went to had bans on suck and its derivatives as well as the phrase "shut up." The ban on suck was especially ironic given that it's the implication of sucking dick that has them worried, but that never really occurred to most of us using the word until it was pointed out.

[Melena]

Your really reaching there. It was a god damn tweet after the fact. It's not like she walked up to him in front of her friends and said you suck. If that's the case, any student who insults a teacher after class should get detention.

[Plow]

Like i said, I went to a school where if they heard you using the derogatory usage of the word sucks, it didn't matter if you were talking about the fucking weather as you stood inside the doorway waiting for the busses in rain, you got 30 minutes detention.

Don't recall anyone going to the news about that.

[zoobernut]

Like i said, I went to a school where if they heard you using the derogatory usage of the word sucks, it didn't matter if you were talking about the fucking weather as you stood inside the doorway waiting for the busses in rain, you got 30 minutes detention.

Don't recall anyone going to the news about that.

I don't think that anyone in this thread would be up in arms if she got detention nor have they denied the schools right to give her detention (if someone did and I missed it oops sorry) this is about the governors office demanding an apology, not what sort of punishment the school might give her for breaking their personal school policy. This has nothing to do with the school and everything to do with the governors office.

[Niiro]

Sorry guys, but I just went and checked, the supreme court verdict on the case of State of California v Joseph M. "Bazooka Joe" Blow sets the precedent that not only are schools allowed to determine what goes in your mouth while you're under their responsibility, but due to the effect of bubble blowing on the concentration levels of a classroom, they're also provided the ability to regulate what comes out of it.

Maybe I read the article too quickly but what came out of the girl's mouth and how did it disrupt the field trip and/or classroom environment.

Also in what universe can a school discipline a student for something done on the internet via a personal device.