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  1. #101
    Blue Magic is Best Magic
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    I hate having to choose, why couldn't they just be from WSNM or something :/

  2. #102
    Ridill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draylo View Post
    I hate having to choose, why couldn't they just be from WSNM or something :/
    Because heaven forbid a game that allows you to have 20 jobs at cap actually allow you to be good at those 20 jobs.

  3. #103
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    As someone who hasn't really played in a long time, watching this video makes me want to play so bad.

    Then I remember the game.

    And I still want to play.

  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus View Post
    Because heaven forbid a game that allows you to have 20 jobs at cap actually allow you to be good at those 20 jobs.
    Ah, so it's going to be under its own merit group rather than under jobs? I guess that makes sense, but the question is how many WS can you unlock and fully cap?

  5. #105
    Sword of the House of Weave
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirronimus View Post
    Ah, so it's going to be under its own merit group rather than under jobs? I guess that makes sense, but the question is how many WS can you unlock and fully cap?
    Three. 15 max points for the category, 5 max per WS.

  6. #106
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    Not bad I guess lol Easier for someone like me since both my chars are specialized, sucks for others who have multiple jobs

  7. #107
    Brown Recluse
    Sweaty Dick Punching Enthusiast

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    You can open them all, but you can only cap three ?

  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmauk View Post
    You can open them all, but you can only cap three ?
    No. First merit unlocks it. Subsequent ones make it worth using.

  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukari View Post
    No. First merit unlocks it. Subsequent ones make it worth using.
    It's so silly, why would it matter if there was any max total cap in this category. Having it so you could actually unlock and max all of them just means people have more work available to them if they want. Having multiple jobs on one character is really what makes FFXI special.

  10. #110
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    Oh please, I bet hardly any more than 3 are going to have any practical use anyway... this is all just bitching just to bitch at this point.

  11. #111
    CoP Dynamis
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    Quote Originally Posted by ringthree View Post
    Put the people that made the animations in charge of EVERY FUCKING GAME THAT SE MAKES!
    Well tri-Ace does a good job IMO:

    Star Ocean 4 has fancy animation for all their attacks. You should youtube gameplay if you're interested. Take note that there aren't many + you only get to use two types per battle + you're allowed to spam them so the OMG WTF factor goes down after seeing it used every 2 seconds for hours upon hours. Valkyrie Profile 2 too (though VP2 animations last too long and they get old real fast especially considering that there is only one type for each character).

    Overall I do agree there needs to be more like that for future games - Biggest issue with FFXII was why there weren't any weapon skills considering how much people like them in FFXI.

    What's great about weapon skills in FFXI is that they don't last an absurdly long time, and there's plenty of them for variety.

    Again SE should make FFXV be FFXII with weapon skills and I'm sure it will be a success.

  12. #112
    HABS SUCK!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by orson View Post
    It's so silly, why would it matter if there was any max total cap in this category. Having it so you could actually unlock and max all of them just means people have more work available to them if they want. Having multiple jobs on one character is really what makes FFXI special.
    Who really needs to have 5 different DD jobs available at god tier usability? If youre on something else for VW procs, then having a slightly inferior WS is going to have next to no noticeable effect. If you're not on something else for VW procs, then why are you not on one of the 3 jobs you have WS maxed out?

    Bitching for the sake of bitching.

  13. #113
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    IDK MAN, I FIND IT COMPLETELY NECESSARY TO BE THE BEST AT ALL 20 JOBS IN THE GAME!

  14. #114
    Doesn't take it for granite
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    Shouldn't matter too much on merit caps. Not like anyone outside of obsessive OCD hardcores are going to bother grinding the hundreds and hundreds of merits.

  15. #115
    Ridill
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    Quote Originally Posted by NynJa View Post
    Who really needs to have 5 different DD jobs available at god tier usability? If youre on something else for VW procs, then having a slightly inferior WS is going to have next to no noticeable effect. If you're not on something else for VW procs, then why are you not on one of the 3 jobs you have WS maxed out?

    Bitching for the sake of bitching.
    You do know that the same argument can be used for pretty much anything. Allow me to demonstrate.

    "Who really needs to have 5 different DD jobs available with good gear? Perle/Teal/Aurore are good enough and save space because you don't need to macro swap."

    If something is shiny, people want it. Plain and simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost_Wheel22 View Post
    Shouldn't matter too much on merit caps. Not like anyone outside of obsessive OCD hardcores are going to bother grinding the hundreds and hundreds of merits.
    Considering how merit points fall out of the sky just from killing NMs and farting-around in the game, people will probably have 3 weapon skills capped as well as capped HP/MP and attributes within a month and be well on their way to having 30 merits just sitting around waiting for something to spend them on with little-to-no-grinding needed.

    Hopefully they will expand the total in the merit group to 30 or more sooner rather than later.

  16. #116
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!
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    Having 20 jobs is great, but if you sux at all of them. What's the damn point.

  17. #117
    I enjoy tapping my sisters fine ass
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    Quote Originally Posted by vagus View Post
    Having 20 jobs is great, but if you sux at all of them. What's the damn point.
    Point is to have all 20 and not suck at any of them
    *but really if you have the option of going "anything that is required" it usually helps for pick up groups more then hardcore ls's.

  18. #118
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    And since it has been solo/duo/PUG for the last 2 years, apparently...!

  19. #119
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    As much as we all wanna complain about the shineyz, chances are only a handful of the weaponskills will even be worthwhile getting, so it tops may be a toss up between 3/4 or 3/5 of the applicable wses for a player who has everything, so then it's just a matter of choosing, "Do I want x weaponskill all my favorite jobs can use, or y weaponskill my fav job can use optimally"

    And then maybe toss, like, 1 merit into a super shiney WS you'd never actually have a good use for in real game combat, just to show off every now and then.

  20. #120
    Ridill
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    I dunno, from what I'm reading most of them are pretty nice.
    And anyway, that doesn't matter, such limitations are silly, period. And it doesn't matter even more, because S-E will probably increase the cap after a couple of patches just like that...

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