NFL Week 13: Something something, late thread, grumble grumble

[Chun Liroy]

also, Tweek I have a research project for you. Please find everything I have ever said about Phil Rivers and put it all into one post. I am going to need it for Cail's sig tomorrow.

Rofl.

[archibaldcrane]

Brady's 2007 50-TD season was the 40th most attempts in a single NFL season (578 ) - over 100 less than Bledsoe's 691 in 1994.

Bledsoe threw 25 TDs that year.

Marino's 48-TD year was on 564 attempts. Manning's 49-TD year was on only 497 attempts. Rodgers is on pace for 544 attempts this year.

[Chun Liroy]

everyone is a product of the fucking system lol. Oh a TE got 110 catches? Man, that must be purely from the talent of the player and nothing to do with playcalling, design, etc. Oh, your qb only had 25 TD? Must be their fault and nothing to do with being a runheavy team. troy aikman was one hell of a qb, but he doesnt have any kind of records. why? because they were a run first team.

Obviously you need the right personnel for your system to work, but what a coach is trying to do will probably affect your records more than your pure talent

Why is peyton manning so good and curtis painter so bad? Type of system remained the same with vastly different results due to the former's pure talent. Remove brady and the team continues on to go 11-5. Colts go 0-16. Brady's a product of the system.

[Demosthenes11]

Why is peyton manning so good and curtis painter so bad? Type of system remained the same with vastly different results due to the former's pure talent. Remove brady and the team continues on to go 11-5. Colts go 0-16. Brady's a product of the system.

...you really don't think they changed the system in IND when manning went down? You don't think they changed it in NE? I know you are used to absolutely horrible coaching, but jesus christ man

[Demosthenes11]

Brady's 2007 50-TD season was the 40th most attempts in a single NFL season (578 ) - over 100 less than Bledsoe's 691 in 1994.

Bledsoe threw 25 TDs that year.

Marino's 48-TD year was on 564 attempts. Manning's 49-TD year was on only 497 attempts. Rodgers is on pace for 544 attempts this year.

down the field? dink and dunk? how was the oline? were the receivers good? etc etc etc

[Flarega]

Jim Caldwell is also a terrible coach.

[Chun Liroy]

So then how'd the coaches suddenly forget how to make a system which facilitates winning one year when they went to the playoffs the year before... TALENT.

[Chun Liroy]

Jim Caldwell is also a terrible coach.

SHHHHH.

[Flarega]

nowhere near as good as raheem morris

[archibaldcrane]

down the field? dink and dunk? how was the oline? were the receivers good? etc etc etc

My point is just that people in Marino's league for TDs aren't throwing a considerable amount more than he did, and some threw a fair amount less.

[AidenCarby]

Why is peyton manning so good and curtis painter so bad? Type of system remained the same with vastly different results due to the former's pure talent. Remove brady and the team continues on to go 11-5. Colts go 0-16. Brady's a product of the system.

You also forget that Manning runs the offense, Brady does not. You wouldn't know about good coaching, you root for a team that ices it's own kickers, and loses to Arizona every season.

[Lordender]

Jim Caldwell is also a terrible coach.

Hope the colts troll their fans and promote Jim Tressel!

[Chun Liroy]

What about rushing TDs in each of those respective seasons? That'd have more impact on the amount of TDs the QB gets than attempts, imo.

[Demosthenes11]

My point is just that people in Marino's league for TDs aren't throwing a considerable amount more than he did, and some threw a fair amount less.

it's a fair point, but it doesn't tell even close to the whole story. What was the % of throwing in the middle of field compared to the redzone?

And of course talent has a big amount to do with it, but people would have no records without the right system. And there would be no records without a talented player. It's not 90% player though

[archibaldcrane]

I agree, with Rodgers it's 100% player.

[Flarega]

Thought it was 103.8% rodgers.

[Demosthenes11]

rodgers has the best receiving crew since the 2000 rams, and it may be better than that with the TE and a few more weapons. Pretty sure jordy nelson is ricky prohl v 2

[Flarega]

With no receivers rodgers would just run it anyway.

[Headspace]

I'm surprised Matt Ryan doesn't tear it up more often since he has Roddy White, Julio and Harry Douglass.

[Headspace]

I'm surprised Matt Ryan doesn't tear it up

Wait,

No I'm not.