College Football Bowl Season Discussion Thread (and BG Bowl Pick Em)

[Rhinox]

hahaha

[Gregorio]

Welp.. I guess I was wrong about Paterno. These NCAA violations are ridiculous though.

Of course it is a shame that innocent players and students feel the effects of the sanctions, but there is no avoiding that.

Sure there is. It could be avoided by not punishing innocent people. It's just ironic that the NCAA is hurting kids in response to someone else hurting kids.

[Bregor]

Jay Paterno and family just won't shut the fuck up. "Look guys I'm really sorry all these boys got raped but MY DAD WON A BUNCH OF FOOTBALL GAMES!!!!!!11"

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/...on-ncaa-ruling

"Sexual abuse is reprehensible, especially when it involves children, and no one starting with Joe Paterno condones or minimizes it. The horrific acts committed by Jerry Sandusky shock the conscience of every decent human being. How Sandusky was able to get away with his crimes for so long has yet to be fully understood, despite the claims and assertions of the Freeh report.

"The release of the Freeh report has triggered an avalanche of vitriol, condemnation and posthumous punishment on Joe Paterno. The NCAA has now become the latest party to accept the report as the final word on the Sandusky scandal. The sanctions announced by the NCAA today defame the legacy and contributions of a great coach and educator without any input from our family or those who knew him best.

"That the President, the Athletic Director and the Board of Trustees accepted this unprecedented action by the NCAA without requiring a full due process hearing before the Committee on Infractions is an abdication of their responsibilities and a breach of their fiduciary duties to the University and the 500,000 alumni. Punishing past, present and future students of the University because of Sandusky’s crimes does not serve justice. This is not a fair or thoughtful action; it is a panicked response to the public's understandable revulsion at what Sandusky did.

"The point of due process is to protect against this sort of reflexive action. Joe Paterno was never interviewed by the University or the Freeh Group. His counsel has not been able to interview key witnesses as they are represented by counsel related to ongoing litigation. We have had no access to the records reviewed by the Freeh group. The NCAA never contacted our family or our legal counsel. And the fact that several parties have pending trials that could produce evidence and testimony relevant to this matter has been totally discounted.

"Unfortunately all of these facts have been ignored by the NCAA, the Freeh Group and the University."

[Cail]

Big Ten just released their statement.

• Penn State officially censured
• Will comply with the NCAA 5 year probation
• Bowl ban is extended to Big Ten Championship Games (same time period)
• Penn State is ineligible to receive share of Big Ten bowl revenues for the duration of the bowl ban. Revenue will be going towards charity instead.

whats censureship?

[Rhinox]

public spanking.

[Serra]

If I'm not mistaken, it's essentially just a public reprimand. Since, ya know, Penn State hasn't been publicly criticized till now.. Oh wait..

[Cail]

ahhh gotcha

[Correction]

Sure there is. It could be avoided by not punishing innocent people. It's just ironic that the NCAA is hurting kids in response to someone else hurting kids.

Because depriving someone of one year's worth of college scholarship is totally the same thing as fucking a 12 year old up the ass in the shower.

[Moss]

Sure there is. It could be avoided by not punishing innocent people. It's just ironic that the NCAA is hurting kids in response to someone else hurting kids.

The athletes are allowed to transfer without losing any eligibility. What penalties would you have suggested?

[Rhinox]

Gonna read the celebrity thread to relive all the shit i got for saying good riddance.



feels good

[Moss]

All my sides.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...3059876793.png

It's just ridiculous that the "they" Kenny Lawson is talking about is the NCAA, and not Sandusky/Paterno/McQuery/etc. It is bullshit that your football program covered up heinous crimes for over a decade, Evan Royster.

[Rhinox]

but what culture moss it was only 4 people?

[Gregorio]

The athletes are allowed to transfer without losing any eligibility. What penalties would you have suggested?

Not every kid on that team is going to be able to transfer. For whatever reason, whoever stays on that team is being punished for something that happened with they were likely in 1st/2nd grade. Fantastic example the NCAA is setting. Work hard, and you'll be saddled with a burden courtesy of your coaches and mentors. Or you could leave all your friends/family and move across the country to play football somewhere else. There certainly won't be any sort of expenses involved in that.

And I wouldn't suggest any, honestly. It's a criminal matter, and it will be handled by the criminal courts. Anything the NCAA throws at the school is only going to hurt people who were not involved.

[Tyche]

Are the fans and alumni raping boys too? If you think that these penalties will muffle the JoePa apologists, you're sorely mistaken. The vacated wins was pointless and allowing players to escape scholarship limits is fucking egregious (although I have yet to see that particular confirmed).

[Correction]

Not every kid on that team is going to be able to transfer. Or you could leave all your friends/family and move across the country to play football somewhere else. There certainly won't be any sort of expenses involved in that.

IF they're good enough, the transfer probably won't cost them a dime.
If they weren't good enough, the worst outcome is that they're a mediocre player on a bad team without any NFL prospects rather than a mediocre player on a great team without any NFL prospects.

My heart bleeds.

[Gregorio]

Are the fans and alumni raping boys too? If you think that these penalties will muffle the JoePa apologists, you're sorely mistaken. The vacated wins was pointless and allowing players to escape scholarship limits is fucking egregious (although I have yet to see that particular confirmed).

No way man! If it weren't for the NCAA stepping in here and setting an example, universities all over the country would be molesting children and covering it up. It's the NCAA that truly strikes fear into the hearts of pedophiles. The NCAA has fixed pedophilia in one day.

[Serra]

IF they're good enough, the transfer probably won't cost them a dime.
If they weren't good enough, the worst outcome is that they're a mediocre player on a bad team without any NFL prospects rather than a mediocre player on a great team without any NFL prospects.

My heart bleeds.

What about the students who aren't there only for Football, but are essentially milking the scholarship to get an education and aren't good enough to go somewhere else? I know we like to think of College Football players as only there to play ball, but a number of them use those scholarships to actually get an education they couldn't afford otherwise. That said, no matter what the NCAA did, they'd be criticized one way or another, so who knows....

[Meresgi]

Why are people saying this punishes the students? fuck they keep their scholarships and don't even have to play ball which is great for 90% of them who didn't have any hope of getting NFL picks anyways so i'm sure they don't give a flying fuck at all. Just means they can concentrate more on their classes and enjoy the free ride. For those who want to play ball they can transfer out and i'm sure it won't be that hard, as the ones who want to play ball more then get a degree are probably the better players anyways and schools will gobble them up.

People bitching about the "harshness" on some sites reminds me of the mentality of "well that bitch got raped because she was asking for it" type deal.

[Serra]

Oh, they can keep their scholarships and not play? If that's official, then nvm, my point is withdrawn~

[Bregor]

What about the students who aren't there only for Football, but are essentially milking the scholarship to get an education and aren't good enough to go somewhere else? I know we like to think of College Football players as only there to play ball, but a number of them use those scholarships to actually get an education they couldn't afford otherwise. That said, no matter what the NCAA did, they'd be criticized one way or another, so who knows....

They can get scholarships and an education at another school with a penalty-free transfer, or stay at PSU and get the exact same education they were expecting when they signed their LOI. Scholarship reductions start with the 2013 recruiting class, everyone enrolled now is fine.