Ron Paul Rises

[test123]

Here is some RP humor for u haters out there

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[Plow]

ah yes, the "new classic" sarah palin argument of "nobody cared about the fact that I was a piece of shit when there wasn't a chance I could be president, why care now?!"

[Elvis]

ah yes, the "new classic" sarah palin argument of "nobody cared about the fact that I was a piece of shit when there wasn't a chance I could be president, why care now?!"

He was never a piece of shit to begin with. And since when does a troglodyte douchebag like you care about racism?

[archibaldcrane]

I think what's being missed in all of this is

Ron Paul

is running

for the Republican party nomination

and he's not being vaguely racist about everything

this is a terrible strategy - but given how it's consistently advantageous for republicans to be, ya know, vaguely racist about everything when pandering to the political right

it's kinda nuts to be like "RP is a closet racist, he doesn't want to show it ya see?!"

[Plow]

He was never a piece of shit to begin with. And since when does a troglodyte douchebag like you care about racism?

ahh yes, the guy that says both sides are very wrong is way, way more racist than the guy that says palestinians can do no wrong and jews are the devil

[Churchill]

but jews are the devil

[Elvis]

ahh yes, the guy that says both sides are very wrong is way, way more racist than the guy that says palestinians can do no wrong and jews are the devil

The 'both sides' argument is an intellectually lazy cop-out for people who don't know what they are talking about. It's great that you have the ability to speak and type.

I never mention 'Jews' in my arguments. I always talk about Zionism because Zionism is the issue. It's the same dynamic in my eyes as Radical Islam is to Islam.

Conflating Zionism with Judaism is antisemitic but then, that is what the Israeli government and the pro-Israel crowd wants. Then, everyone who criticizes Israel or is against colonialism, is antisemitic.

You've read no books on this conflict and nothing you've ever said has been substantiated. This is a conflict between occupier and occupied. It is a colonial conflict, not a conflict between a Jewish pinata and an Arab horde. Virtually all of the Zionist pioneers knew this/acknowledged this - so I'm not going to change my mind on that framework because some pissant troll thinks otherwise.

[Drex]

a racist republican? stop the fucking presses

[Jeryhn]

a racist republican? stop the fucking presses

Fucking seriously. Any of you were expecting any Republican candidate (Cain included) not to be?

[Plow]

The 'both sides' argument is an intellectually lazy cop-out for people who don't know what they are talking about. It's great that you have the ability to speak and type.

I never mention 'Jews' in my arguments. I always talk about Zionism because Zionism is the issue. It's the same dynamic in my eyes as Radical Islam is to Islam.

Conflating Zionism with Judaism is antisemitic but then, that is what the Israeli government and the pro-Israel crowd wants. Then, everyone who criticizes Israel or is against colonialism, is antisemitic.

You've read no books on this conflict and nothing you've ever said has been substantiated. This is a conflict between occupier and occupied. It is a colonial conflict, not a conflict between a Jewish pinata and an Arab horde. Virtually all of the Zionist pioneers knew this/acknowledged this - so I'm not going to change my mind on that framework because some pissant troll thinks otherwise.

You know someday you're going to have to go to college and make actual arguments, I'm curious how you're going to justify Palestinian state terrorism over Israeli state terrorism when you can't just rage and throw insults.

Just going to hand in papers that are nothing but links to people that are way more intelligent and informed than you talking about it?

[Churchill]

Question: Were the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars justified?

[Cail]

http://news.yahoo.com/ex-aide-ron-pa...144730256.html

Ron Paul is not having the best holiday season. First the media discovered racist, anti-Semitic newsletters that went out under Paul’s name in the 1970s, ‘80s and ‘90s. Then the New York Times did a story about the support Paul draws from white supremacists and anti-Semites.

Now there’s former Paul staffer Eric Dondero purporting to describe the ins and outs of Paul’s positions on everything from Israel (it shouldn’t exist) to Hitler (we shouldn’t have fought him) to 9/11 (U.S. authorities may have known about the attacks) to Afghanistan (we shouldn’t have invaded). He calls Paul’s foreign policy “sheer lunacy.”

Or, as the conservative Weekly Standard summarized in hits headline: “Ex-Aide Says Ron Paul Is a 9/11 Truther & Isolationist Who Thinks U.S. Shouldn't Have Fought Hitler.”

In his 2,100-word piece, posted at RightwingNews.com, Dondero says he held several campaign and Capitol Hill posts with Paul from 1987 to 2003. At his own website, LibertarianRepublican.net, he said he was revealing much of the information for the first time. “Much of what I have to say will not please the liberal media hacks. Though, the Ron Paul diehards will find much objectionable, as well,” Dondero wrote.

Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton, in a statement circulated to the media, called Dondero “a disgruntled former staffer who was fired for performance issues. He has zero credibility and should not be taken seriously.”

Still, Dondero’s bill of particulars was getting wide pickup on Twitter and on conservative sites such as the Standard, National Review and HotAir.

Dondero goes out of his way to say that Paul is not anti-Semitic or a racist. He said Paul has hired many black and Hispanic employees and “I never heard a racist word expressed towards Blacks or Jews come out of his mouth. Not once.” In fact, Paul’s current campaign spokesman, Gary Howard, is black.

Still, any way you cut it, the picture Dondero paints isn’t pretty. Among his contentions:

--Paul is anti-Israel. “His view is that Israel is more trouble than it is worth, specifically to the America taxpayer. He sides with the Palestinians, and supports their calls for the abolishment of the Jewish state, and the return of Israel, all of it, to the Arabs.”

-- “He is not all bigoted towards homosexuals. He supports their rights to do whatever they please in their private lives. He is however, personally uncomfortable around homosexuals” and refused to use a bathroom in a gay supporter’s home.

-- “Ron Paul was opposed to the War in Afghanistan, and to any military reaction to the attacks of 9/11.” He planned to vote against the invasion despite threats of staff resignations and a constituent uproar, Dondero says; he changed his mind at the last minute.

“If Ron Paul should be slammed for anything, it’s not some silly remarks he’s made in the past in his Newsletters. It’s over his simply outrageously horrendous views on foreign policy, Israel, and national security for the United States. His near No vote on Afghanistan. That is the big scandal,” he concludes.

Paul has said he did not know what was in the newsletters. The Times looks at the newsletter issue more broadly, and gets Paul to comment on his less savory supporters. He told the newspaper that he rejects their extremist views but not their backing.

[Kuya]

Lol conservatives fighting libertarians.

[archibaldcrane]

Wait, Ron Paul voted to authorize the invasion of Afghanistan?

Are you serious?

And people consider this guy to be ideologically consistent? Hahahahaha.

"I voted for it, but I am against it" - fucking pathetic.

[Plow]

the Ron Paul diehards will find much objectionable

obviously bullshit cuz that guy clearly doesn't know anything about Ron Paul

[Churchill]

Wow, that is one hell of a biased article. Someone must be scared shitless of this guy lol.

[Elvis]

You know someday you're going to have to go to college and make actual arguments, I'm curious how you're going to justify Palestinian state terrorism over Israeli state terrorism when you can't just rage and throw insults.

Just going to hand in papers that are nothing but links to people that are way more intelligent and informed than you talking about it?

I did my undergrad several years ago.

I have never justified Palestinian terrorism. I don't make arguments simply consisting of hyperlinks. I sure as hell don't boil this conflict down to Palestinian terrorism vs. Israeli terrorism. The Israelis are the recipients in billions of dollars of our direct aide, in addition to near unanimous diplomatic support and military funding. Whereas if the Palestinians join a book club, we defund the book club and publicly denounce them. Oh, and Palestinians are the ones whose land is being colonized - not Israelis.

And my style? You must be confusing me with Kuya, who will post an entire article, thinking people will accept that as an argument.

Online plow, quoting the pertinent parts of a source, providing the link to said source and commenting on said source as succinctly as possible, is sufficient.

I can remember making post after post with citations and my own commentary with your only response being, "I'm not reading that."

So cut the shit. I insult you because you make ignorant, asinine comments and insist they're arguments (both sides).

[Milkster]

Wow, that is one hell of a biased article. Someone must be scared shitless of this guy lol.

How so? Did you even read the whole thing?

[hey]

Wow, that is one hell of a biased article. Someone must be scared shitless of this guy lol.

Can't really blame people for being afraid of him. I mean, if Hitler were running for president, wouldn't you be too? It's basically the same thing.

[Churchill]

So if our Presidents kill hundreds of thousands of people around the world through sanctions, "war", drug war, imperialism it's not anything like Hitler, essentially.