Ron Paul Rises

**Yuri-G** · 2012-01-03 23:52

@ Michele's comment... well to be fair, she hasn't actually pushed a single piece of legislation through successfully...

**Cail** · 2012-01-04 00:27

in a cnn poll in NH, Romney 47, Paul 17, Huntsman 13, Santorum 10

**Greatguardian** · 2012-01-04 00:35

Paul has always had the youth vote cinched because he's "different", and that's a pretty huge market. Thankfully, practically none of youth vote actually, you know, votes.

**Eaglestrike** · 2012-01-04 00:38

Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Paul has always had the uneducated/undereducated youth vote cinched because he's "different", and that's a pretty huge market. Thankfully, practically none of youth vote actually, you know, votes.

lol CNN had 68% of voters at 45+ in Iowa, that's real high.

**Greatguardian** · 2012-01-04 00:44

Originally Posted by Eaglestrike

lol CNN had 68% of voters at 45+ in Iowa, that's real high.

I wasn't talking about Iowa in particular, but rather about the idea that people will flock to Paul because he's not "business as usual". While that's true, the people you tend to get with a message like that are generally young voters. When push comes to shove, those are the voters that just don't show up on election day.

In Iowa's case, it's not really surprising that many red states will like the idea of being given free reign to ban gay marriage and abortion without any federal interference.

**Andalusian girls** · 2012-01-04 01:05

well

down to Romney-Gingrich

sorry thread

Originally Posted by Talint

Zero campaigning. He's pushing for a victory in New Hampshire.

and the fact that he's a socially moderate Romney-light no one has ever heard of that is tainted by his association with the Obama administration

damn shame too he's the best among them

**archibaldcrane** · 2012-01-04 01:07

Are you calling Iowa a red state? Weird.

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**Greatguardian** · 2012-01-04 01:16

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

Are you calling Iowa a red state? Weird.

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I don't know any more

I've been up way too long. Disregard, I suck cocks.

**Kuya** · 2012-01-04 12:56

I think Corey Robin, like Greenwald, gets to the heart of the issue, and properly expresses my same sentiment:

Our problem—and again by “our” I mean a left that’s social democratic (or welfare state liberal or economically progressive or whatever the hell you want to call it) and anti-imperial—is that we don’t really have a vigorous national spokesperson for the issues of war and peace, an end to empire, a challenge to Israel, and so forth, that Paul has in fact been articulating. The source of Paul’s positions on these issues are not the same as ours (again more reason not to give him our support). But he is talking about these issues, often in surprisingly blunt and challenging terms. Would that we had someone on our side who could make the case against an American empire, or American supremacy, in such a pungent way.

In the last week, liberals and progressives have been arguing about these issues; Digby has been especially cogent and worth listening to. The only thing I have to add to that debate is this: both sides are right. Not in a the-truth-lies-somewhere-in-between sort of way. Nor in a can’t-we-all-get-along sort of way. No, both sides are right in the sense that I laid out above: Ron Paul is unacceptable, and it’s unacceptable that we don’t have someone on the left who is raising the issues of imperialism, war and peace, and civil liberties in as visible and forceful a way.

http://coreyrobin.com/2012/01/03/ron...other-is-ours/

**Churchill** · 2012-01-04 13:16

I wouldn't be surprised if next election a Democrat using those same talking points popped up, 10:1 odds he's just a talker though.

**archibaldcrane** · 2012-01-04 13:35

As long as big money is THE player in politics, the military-industrial complex and the wars that it pushes will continue unfettered.

Constitutional Amendment banning corporate political speech, anyone?

**test123** · 2012-01-04 14:12

6 Delegates EACH Went to 1st, 2nd, & 3rd, so it is a "tie" atm.

**Restrat** · 2012-01-04 14:34

Where did you read that? I am reading either 11/11/3 (msnbc) or 13/12 (AP)

**Eaglestrike** · 2012-01-04 14:42

CNN has 7 each for the top 3.

**quannum** · 2012-01-04 14:47

isn't santorum the dude who took home a dead fetus and slept in the same bed as it?

**Ragnus** · 2012-01-04 14:49

Yes.

**Andalusian girls** · 2012-01-04 15:04

i know you guys are assholes, and so is Santorum heh, but mocking a guy's actions after his newborn son dies after two hours is p harsh

Demosthenes11 · 2012-01-04 15:06

Originally Posted by Andalusian girls

i know you guys are assholes, and so is Santorum heh, but mocking a guy's actions after his newborn son dies after two hours is p harsh

he cuddled, sang to, and slept with a dead fetus for 8 hours.

that shit cray, aint it jay?

**Eurell** · 2012-01-04 15:10

Originally Posted by Andalusian girls

i know you guys are assholes, and so is Santorum heh, but mocking a guy's actions after his newborn son dies after two hours is p harsh

Can hardly call a 20 week old fetus a newborn.

My wife almost miscarried around the same time, not once did we ever consider to take the fetus home and make our other children pose for pictures with it.

**quannum** · 2012-01-04 15:10

Originally Posted by Andalusian girls

i know you guys are assholes, and so is Santorum heh, but mocking a guy's actions after his newborn son dies after two hours is p harsh

if the dead fetus was gay or black or female, you'd have a different attitude.

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