Ron Paul Rises

[Elvis]

If you can't reason your way out of creationism with all of the evidence there is, you are not to be trusted with reasoning your way through anything. I don't understand what is hard to get here.

you sound an awful lot like a creationist though

Im not a creationist.

Im asking you to elaborate on what you think he is going to do. And you just keep repeating the same inane gotcha statement over and over.

[Greatguardian]

Don't look at me. His views on creationism are hardly the only reason I wouldn't vote for him.

The states have been doing a fine job of tearing this nation down from the inside already. Giving them more power is just asking for every Red state to legalize lynch mobs so long as the lynchers have a sincere moral or religious conviction behind their actions.

Shit, the Texas state house doesn't even have their reps vote on their own shit. Whoever's in the room just casts votes for every desk they can sprint to. Corruption at the state level is rampant, under-reported, and under-enforced. No one cares enough about the state level to put a stop to it, either. Giving these fucks more power is just asking for trouble.

[Demosthenes11]

How is that a gotcha statement...?

[Gregorio]

a creationist is a clear mark of a lack of critical thinking. It's literally being told what to think, and not change your mind even with a mountain of evidence in front of you. You can still be a christian and not believe the earth is 6k years old. Nobody can or can't prove there is a god at this point, so nobody is arguing that you can't vote for them because they believe. You can't vote for someone that looks at modern science and says "no" however. What happens when they get in office on a platform of attacking north korea, and then they get access to the actual information that says "wow, north korea is not a threat at all and it's retarded to attack them" ? If ideology wins out on the most stacked argument (creationism vs. actual facts), then you have very little capacity to problem solve and critically think

While this makes sense, I believe you're forgetting something. The vast majority of presidents have believed in Jesus (who does magic), when it is also scientifically proven that his miracles couldn't have happened. So most of them have believed in a magician who rises from the dead and is the son of God but is also God and we eat him every Sunday, yet they have still managed to not wipe the United States off the face of the planet and have made a lot of rational decisions over the past 200 years. Faith does not always mean they can't solve problems or think critically, just that they've had something driven into their heads for hundreds of years by people who love them and aren't willing to let that go.

[Rhinox]

Elvis we get it you support Ron Paul because hes the only non zionist militant christian in the field.

[archibaldcrane]

Demos is saying that it is impossible for an onmipotent, all-powerful being to have created humans from nothing and also implanted the fossil record, DNA, etc. etc. etc. with misleading evidence to the contrary.

Basically the thing is this Demos - when you believe in God, all kinds of crazy shit become possible, and "scientific evidence" becomes relatively meaningless when there's a puppetmaster out there, undetectable and perfect, who can do whatever the fuck he wants.

[Rhinox]

You put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.

[Elvis]

How is that a gotcha statement...?

Because it is shallow and intellectually dishonest. I can't vouch for him on the economy because simply put, I don't know enough.

But on foreign policy, he has made some points in debates that no other candidates have. Those other guys don't do it because they are too chicken-shit. Or maybe they sincerely think every single person who is anti-American really does hate us because we're so great.

[Elvis]

Elvis we get it you support Ron Paul because hes the only non zionist militant christian in the field.

Duh, but I can't vouch for him. It would be irresponsible to vote for the guy solely because he isn't a shill for Israel. The economy doesn't affect me but I won't vote for someone who is going to fuck people over, even if he/she is going to stop the wars. However, I think those two things are intertwined anyway.

[hey]

While this makes sense, I believe you're forgetting something. The vast majority of presidents have believed in Jesus (who does magic), when it is also scientifically proven that his miracles couldn't have happened. So most of them have believed in a magician who rises from the dead and is the son of God but is also God and we eat him every Sunday, yet they have still managed to not wipe the United States off the face of the planet and have made a lot of rational decisions over the past 200 years. Faith does not always mean they can't solve problems or think critically, just that they've had something driven into their heads for hundreds of years by people who love them and aren't willing to let that go.

Science has progressed quite a bit in the last 200 years. George washington was not ignoring the same evidence that ron paul is.

[Demosthenes11]

Demos is saying that it is impossible for an onmipotent, all-powerful being to have created humans from nothing and also implanted the fossil record, DNA, etc. etc. etc. with misleading evidence to the contrary.

Basically the thing is this Demos - when you believe in God, all kinds of crazy shit become possible, and "scientific evidence" becomes relatively meaningless when there's a puppetmaster out there, undetectable and perfect, who can do whatever the fuck he wants.

"my plan wasn't wrong, god just works in mysterious ways. that's why my policies have failed"

[archibaldcrane]

"my plan wasn't wrong, god just works in mysterious ways. that's why my policies have failed"

right

creationism is a lark in your argument, you don't want to vote for a religious person

and you're shit out of luck

but yeah obama's about as close as you'll get

[Demosthenes11]

right

creationism is a lark in your argument, you don't want to vote for a religious person

and you're shit out of luck

but yeah obama's about as close as you'll get

is it because he's a MUSLIM?

[Gregorio]

Science has progressed quite a bit in the last 200 years. George washington was not ignoring the same evidence that ron paul is.

Pretty sure Washington knew it was impossible to rise from the dead, but okay. No excuses for Kennedy, Reagan, Bush Sr/Jr, Clinton, Obama, etc.

[archibaldcrane]

Obama's a creationist?

[Demosthenes11]

Well the great thing about the whole Jesus thing, is we have no idea what happened. We don't know exactly when he lived, where, who was with him, etc. It's all here-say of what actually did happen - I really don't compare it to creationism, where we know almost exactly what has happened in the last 4.6 billions years.

[Correction]

I wonder how he feels about the Civil Rights Act.

This is a serious question.

He would likely abolish it and make it an issue of 'states rights' in everything but federal elections. He has certainly threatened to erode away every social advance made in the name of reproductive rights and gay rights by making them 'states issues.'

[Gregorio]

Obama's a creationist?

I didn't claim that. Read the last few posts. I'm saying the same thing you are.

[Churchill]

Arguing against creationism, Israel receives biggest check in history.jpg

[Kerberoz]

While this makes sense, I believe you're forgetting something. The vast majority of presidents have believed in Jesus (who does magic), when it is also scientifically proven that his miracles couldn't have happened. So most of them have believed in a magician who rises from the dead and is the son of God but is also God and we eat him every Sunday, yet they have still managed to not wipe the United States off the face of the planet and have made a lot of rational decisions over the past 200 years. Faith does not always mean they can't solve problems or think critically, just that they've had something driven into their heads for hundreds of years by people who love them and aren't willing to let that go.

It's political suicide to say that you don't believe in Jesus. Doesn't mean they actually did. Hell, even the founders were mostly "Deist" which is just country-club agnostic atheism.