DAT MINING DISCUSSIONS -- December 14th 2011

[Izzy]

I'm not sure how people aren't having trouble with PLD. The guy can use WSes back-to-back-to-back and with no Ochain this can one shot you. When I tanked it, Asuran did about 700 and Victory Smite did over 1,200, and both happened so fast I never saw my HP bar stop going down between the two WSes.

^ We tried that and it worked great until Hundred Fists. It raped the pets almost instantly (given a couple of our BSTs didn't bring Dawn Mulsums, so that would help).

Did it last night and one shotted it Q_Q. I haven't played since the cap was raised to 95. It was pretty easy, just keep barfira up, have your WHM use Sancrowhatever when hundred fists goes off. Every once in a while a WS will knock HP down, but just heal it quickly.

[Selamis]

Does the tail remove his defense boost for the whole fight or just while under the effects of him being under the tail?

[Theytak]

So on that topic of AF2+2 augmented.

I'm assuming that once your item is augmented, you wont be able to store them anymore? (Unless you want to lose your augment)

To which, I say, Really, SE? You don't think you've added enough job specific gear to fuck up everyone's inventory space already? Would it have been that hard to create a +3 version, with the stats on them, so they're storable? Are you running out of space for adding items? IF SO, MAYBE YOU SHOULD COOL OFF WITH JOB SPECIFIC GEAR.

Or give us a few more 80 slot inventories to hold all this shit.

/rant over, sorry, but it needs to be said. And completely invalid if they somehow added a flag to the new slips, so you can store both augmented and unaugmented, so the moogle can tell the difference between them, but I doubt that.

edit: Aaaaaaaaactually.

You said that you had to brute force the trial numbers for this, yes? Then that means they're not startable yet, right? As in, if you upgrade your af2 to +2, there is no "next trial", even though the trial numbers are technically there?

Maybe they'll add a +3 or something when they implement this, I assume with the rest of the trials they haven't added.

SE said in the patch notes that even if you can't find it on the moogle you can do the trial. You can't access the first +2 trials from the lists either, you have to either know the number or trade the item, it's just that those trials don't link to the second trials for some reason. You should be ableto get them by trading the +2 to the moogle. sad to say.

[Julian]

Oh, alright. So it's implemented, which means it's not going to be storable. Joy.

Anyway, I got my monster script working. Original list has 2 new txt's: monster and monster2.

Monster picks up on every single change/shift in the dat, so if they added new mobs by just replacing old blank placeholders, it will pick up. The draw back, is that sometimes SE just adds new IDs near the middle of the dat (for widescan purposes, I suppose), and they have to shift the rest of the IDs down, so that they're in order. When this happens, my script picks up eeeeeeeeverything that gets shifted.

Monster2 is a lighter version, that only picks up new mobs that weren't part of the zone before. This one is a lot easier to read, but doesn't include all of the information that the previous one would pick up.

I'll see about fixing the shifting issue sometime soon, but I'm tired now, and need to do irl stuff >_>;

edit: I also removed the (December) from the directory name, it was ugly.

edit2: Some big ones here: Nyzul will have KA, and the 4 gods o.O

also, year of the dragon =]

edit3: Note, there may be a few false positives since the originals weren't my dats.

edit4: I'm thinking of writing a script to check dialog tables, but that may be a bit... excessive, lol. Could run it on just select zones, like ru'lude, the last stand, etc, though.

[NynJa]

Augmented Relic+2:

All trials: Earn 20000 exp in either of the 2 areas where the item drops, with the item equipped; all augments are listed exactly as they appear in game, don't ask me what they mean because I won't know, I just copied what I read on the item.

I'm pretty sure xp rings should work in dynamis right? I'm pretty sure I read Signet works too?

[Yukari]

Yeah, they should, and yeah, signet definitely helps.

[grevenilvec75]

I was part of two successful groups tonight. The first group used a THF/NIN-heavy setup with WHM and Auspice up to Subtle Blow-burn it. He hardly WS'd. One of the THF's got 1-shotted with a lucky Asuran, but we killed it easily.

The second group was a MNK-heavy setup with SMN, BLU, SCH, and MNKs. SMN uses Perfect Defense and SCH 2-hours/Embravas RIGHT OFF the bat. Proceed to tear it down to 40% ish or lower till PD wears. Once it wears, use Item, BLU and SMN stuns it to keep it from running around. Kill it easily from 40-0 since its DEF is weakened. I was the SMN and at the time did not realize he had a dmg cap that Enspells can add to, so I didn't use Ifrit's Enfire. If I had, the fight would have been even more of a joke.

He was a lot lower than 40% when pd wore off, like ~10% i thought.

Also there was a WAR (widowmaker)and 2x MNKs (1 had verethranga)

[Fredjan]

Oh, alright. So it's implemented, which means it's not going to be storable. Joy.

SE has said Relic +2 will only be storable after it has been augmented.

...Yep, just re-looked:

Armor pieces upgraded to Stage 2 will be storable with the Porter Moogle service.

Stage 2 = augment stage.

[Julian]

Huh, interesting. Ok, so it's not THAT bad.

[dasva]

Kinda wonder how you enhance half these 2hrs... just give them longer duration or something lol

[Yugl]

Or assimilation!

[dasva]

Also are you sure 2nd stage refers to the augments and not just +2? Wheres the full text you quoted?

[dasva]

Or assimilation!

Clearly you get more set points with it equipped... and lose spells used with them when it comes off... kinda like when you delvl except several times a minute

[fantasticdan]

I'll laugh really hard when they trigger the spell lock-out on removal.

[doctorugh]

Is there a list somewhere of the +3 items (with the bonus effects)

[Foldypaws]

Is there a list somewhere of the +3 items (with the bonus effects)

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/108...=1#post4939432

[Not Kuno]

How many blms work if you manaburned the fight? With the item, obviously.

[kamugi]

This seems like a decent place to post this:
NIN does not get a new DW trait at 99, and AF2+2 body is 3% DW.

Using a 201 and a 227 delay katana, we get different returns for 38% DW 40% DW and 45% DW, 4.6, 4.5 and 4.4 TP respectively. Llewelyn finished the body before me, I did the math, he went and tested and confirmed TP gain. He got 4.6 TP/hit wearing only af2+2 body at level 99 NIN. SO LAME!

Anyway, if someone could double check my math and make sure it's accurate, that would great.

Math-
428*.6=256
/2=128
-180=-51
*1.5=-76
/180=-.42
+5=4.5

428*.62=265
/2=132
-180=-48
*1.5=-72
/180=.4
+5=4.6

428*.55=235
/2=117
-180=-63
*1.5=-94
/180=-0.52
+5=4.4

[Nightfyre]

This seems like a decent place to post this:
NIN does not get a new DW trait at 99, and AF2+2 body is 3% DW.

Using a 201 and a 227 delay katana, we get different returns for 38% DW 40% DW and 45% DW, 4.6, 4.5 and 4.4 TP respectively. Llewelyn finished the body before me, I did the math, he went and tested and confirmed TP gain. He got 4.6 TP/hit wearing only af2+2 body at level 99 NIN. SO LAME!

Anyway, if someone could double check my math and make sure it's accurate, that would great.

Math-
428*.6=256
/2=128
-180=-51
*1.5=-76
/180=-.42
+5=4.5

428*.62=265
/2=132
-180=-48
*1.5=-72
/180=.4
+5=4.6

428*.55=235
/2=117
-180=-63
*1.5=-94
/180=-0.52
+5=4.4

Looks right

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, and I tested it back in November and found the same thing. =p

NIN's only new trait was Tactical Parry III.