Iran Thread

**Elvis** · 2012-01-27 05:17

Originally Posted by djzombie

The link is there for all to see. Take it as you will. If you don't deem it as a worthy source that's fine, not for me to decide for you.

Also, I don't frequent these sites that I link so I know nothing about them or the source. I read these from another forum. Good luck finding an unbiased source of information, anywhere, about anything regarding current events.

If I posted a news article from a Hamas-run news site, would most people on BG take it's findings w/ a grain of salt? Or an iceberg of salt?

I'm not dismissing the content, because I think it's true. Not to mention our politicians support the settlements and in general, the colonization of the West Bank and E. Jerusalem (and Gaza before) are not criticized by the MSM w/ any meaningfulness or consistency.

I just had to say something because it caught my attention.

**Elvis** · 2012-01-28 15:33

Old debate (Sept.; but could have been yesterday) between Dylan Ratigan/Glenn Greenwald and Cliff May. In fairness to Cliff May, Ratigan kept talking over him.

**Ashmada** · 2012-01-29 09:06

Originally Posted by Churchill

Call me a sociopath again, idc, but when Israel is wiped off the planet no tears will be shed

Tsssk, Winston. You were supposed to fight them on the beaches, not adhere to their ideology.

**djzombie** · 2012-01-31 21:57

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...d=pm_world_pop

Iran, perceiving threat from West, willing to attack on U.S. soil, U.S. intelligence report finds

An assessment by U.S. spy agencies concludes that Iran is prepared to launch terrorist attacks inside the United States, highlighting new risks as the Obama administration escalates pressure on Tehran to halt its alleged pursuit of an atomic bomb.

In congressional testimony Tuesday, U.S. intelligence officials indicated that Iran has crossed a threshold in its adversarial relationship with the United States. While Iran has long been linked to attacks on American targets overseas, U.S. officials said they see troubling significance in Tehran’s alleged role in a plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador in Washington last year.

Intelligence shows that Iran received foreign assistance to overcome key hurdles in acquiring technology that could lead to a nuclear weapon, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

U.S. officials said they have seen no intelligence to indicate that Iran is actively plotting attacks on U.S. soil. But Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. said the thwarted plot “shows that some Iranian officials — probably including Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei — have changed their calculus and are now more willing to conduct an attack in the United States in response to real or perceived U.S. actions that threaten the regime.”

The propaganda machine is working overtime.

**kuronosan** · 2012-02-01 02:43

So tired of this shit.

**Elvis** · 2012-02-01 03:03

Karen Kwiatkowski said that while she was working in the NSA, they were required to present fresh 'talking points' that were then disseminated among the MSM. One in particular was a claim that Iraq had such and such weapons or something or that were was an imminent attack. This was published everywhere until the FBI and CIA contradicted the claim. She says people in the Office of Special Plans knew they were pumping bullshit. She was a part of it but became dissident and ultimately left the government and military entirely.

Karen's biography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Kwiatkowski

Excerpts from an interview:

Here she talks about the false intelligence and the formation of the OSP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvml3OAA9kA#t=30m43s

Corroborated by the 9/11 commission:

Mohamed Atta is known to have been in Prague on two occasions: in December 1994, when he stayed one night at a transit hotel, and in June 2000, when he was en route to the United States. On the latter occasion, he arrived by bus from Germany, on June 2, and departed for Newark the following day.

The allegation that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in April 2001 originates from the reporting of a single source of the Czech intelligence service. Shortly after 9/11, the source reported having seen Atta meet with Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al Ani, an Iraqi diplomat, at the Iraqi Embassy in Prague on April 9, 2001, at 11:00 A.M. This information was passed to CIA headquarters.

The U.S. legal attaché (“Legat”) in Prague, the representative of the FBI,met with the Czech service’s source. After the meeting, the assessment of the Legat and the Czech officers present was that they were 70 percent sure that the source was sincere and believed his own story of the meeting. Subsequently, the Czech intelligence service publicly stated that there was a 70 percent probability that the meeting between Atta and Ani had taken place.The Czech Interior Minister also made several statements to the press about his belief that the meeting had occurred, and the story was widely reported.

The FBI has gathered evidence indicating that Atta was in Virginia Beach on April 4 (as evidenced by a bank surveillance camera photo), and in Coral Springs, Florida on April 11, where he and Shehhi leased an apartment. On April 6, 9, 10, and 11,Atta’s cellular telephone was used numerous times to call various lodging establishments in Florida from cell sites within Florida.We cannot confirm that he placed those calls. But there are no U.S. records indicating that Atta departed the country during this period. Czech officials have reviewed their flight and border records as well for any indication that Atta was in the Czech Republic in April 2001, including records of anyone crossing the border who even looked Arab. They have also reviewed pictures from the area near the Iraqi embassy and have not discovered photos of anyone who looked like Atta.

No evidence has been found that Atta was in the Czech Republic in April 2001.

According to the Czech government, Ani, the Iraqi officer alleged to have met with Atta, was about 70 miles away from Prague on April 8–9 and did not return until the afternoon of the ninth, while the source was firm that the sighting occurred at 11:00 A.M. When questioned about the reported April 2001 meeting,Ani—now in custody—has denied ever meeting or having any contact with Atta. Ani says that shortly after 9/11, he became concerned that press stories about the alleged meeting might hurt his career. Hoping to clear his name, Ani asked his superiors to approach the Czech government about refuting the allegation. He also denies knowing of any other Iraqi official having contact with Atta.

These findings cannot absolutely rule out the possibility that Atta was in Prague on April 9, 2001. He could have used an alias to travel and a passport under that alias, but this would be an exception to his practice of using his true name while traveling (as he did in January and would in July when he took his next overseas trip). The FBI and CIA have uncovered no evidence that Atta held any fraudulent passports. KSM and Binalshibh both deny that an Atta-Ani meeting occurred. There was no reason for such a meeting, especially considering the risk it would pose to the operation. By April 2001, all four pilots had completed most of their training,and the muscle hijackers were about to begin entering the United States.

The available evidence does not support the original Czech report of an Atta-Ani meeting.

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The Israeli connection to the Mohammed Atta Anthrax LIE:

Elsewhere, Germany's Bild newspaper reports that security experts there are investigating whether hijack suspect Mohammed Atta carried anthrax spores allegedly obtained from Iraqi agents to the US.

Bild cites unnamed Israeli intelligence sources as saying Atta, who is suspected of flying a plane which crashed into the World Trade Centre, received anthrax spores from Iraqi agents during two visits to the Czech Republic. Atta is believed to have lived in Hamburg before going to the states where he lived in Florida for a period, close to where the first anthrax death occurred.

Source: US orders 100m anti-anthrax pills - The Guardian

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Creating talking points, getting them from the OSP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvml3OAA9kA#t=30m06s

Karen on the ideological shift in the nature of the intelligence at the NESA:

I came to share with many NESA colleagues a kind of unease, a sense that something was awry. What seemed out of place was the strong and open pro-Israel and anti-Arab orientation in an ostensibly apolitical policy-generation staff within the Pentagon.

Source: http://www.theamericanconservative.c.../dec/01/00019/

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And the truth shall set you free:

(More LIES about the Atta-Prague-Iraq connection.)

(All cited.)

Spoiler: show

September 18, 2001
The Associated Press reports

An unconfirmed link to Iraq emerged Tuesday [September 18] in the intelligence community.

[...]A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the United States has received information from a foreign intelligence service that Mohamed Atta, a hijacker aboard one of the planes that slammed into the World Trade Center, met earlier this year in Europe with an Iraqi intelligence agent.
September 21, 2001
After Vice President Dick Cheney asks CIA director George Tenet to investigate an alleged meeting in Prague between an Iraqi intelligence agent and one of the 9-11 hijackers, Mohamed Atta, Tenet reports (as revealed in The One Percent Doctrine, by Ron Suskind, published June 2006): The One Percent Doctrine, page 23.

Our Prague office is skeptical about the report. It just doesn't add up
October 27, 2001
The New York Times reports

The Czech interior minister said today that an Iraqi intelligence officer met with Mohammed Atta, one of the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States, just five months before the synchronized hijackings and mass killings were carried out.
December 2, 2001
Secretary of State Colin Powell on CNN’s Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer

BLITZER: As you know, some former government officials and perhaps some within the government are saying there are some strong signs that the Iraqis were connected to the September 11 terrorist attack, specifically the meetings in Prague between Mohammed Atta, the suspected ringleader, and Iraqi intelligence, an Iraqi intelligence agent. As far as you're concerned, was there a connection there?”

POWELL: Certainly, these meetings took place.
December 9, 2001
Vice President Dick Cheney on NBC News’ Meet the Press

It's been pretty well confirmed that [Mohamed Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack.
December 28, 2001
Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board, writes an Op-Ed entitled “The U.S. Must Strike at Saddam Hussein” for the New York Times

Evidence of a meeting in Prague between a senior Iraqi intelligence agent and Mohamed Atta, the Sept. 11 ringleader, is convincing.
February 23, 2002
San Francisco Chronicle reporter Robert Collier interviews Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz

COLLIER: Is there any, have you seen any convincing evidence to link Iraq to Al Qaeda or its international network?

WOLFOWITZ: A lot of this stuff is classified and I really can't get into discussing it[...]

[...]The amount that we don't know is still, I think, much larger than the amount that we do know[...] We also know that there are things that haven't been explained[...] like the meeting of Mohammad Atta with Iraqi officials in Prague. It just comes back to the fact that[...]

COLLIER: Which now is alleged right? There is some doubt to that?

WOLFOWITZ: Now this gets you into classified areas again. I think the point which I do think is fundamental, is that, the premise of your question seems to be, we wait for proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I think the premise of a policy has to be we can't afford to wait for proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
September 8, 2002 (THIS IS AFTER SEVERAL REPORTS STATING THE ATTA-PRAGUE MEETING IS FUCKING FALSE)
Vice President Dick Cheney speaks with Tim Russert on NBC News’ Meet the Press

VICE PRES. CHENEY: We spent time looking at that relationship between Iraq, on the one hand, and the al-Qaeda organization on the other. And there has been reporting that suggests that there have been a number of contacts over the years. We've seen in connection with the hijackers, of course, Mohamed Atta, who was the lead hijacker, did apparently travel to Prague on a number of occasions. And on at least one occasion, we have reporting that places him in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official a few months before the attack on the World Trade Center[...]

Mr. RUSSERT: What does the CIA say about that? Is it credible?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: It's credible. But, you know, I think a way to put it would be it's unconfirmed at this point.

**Elvis** · 2012-02-01 04:12

BUMP, posted w/ links now. Sorry for the ninja-edits.

**djzombie** · 2012-02-04 11:05

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8D269Q20120202

Israel says Iran seeking U.S.-range missile

JERUSALEM, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Israel said on Thursday Iran had been working on developing a missile capable of striking the United States at a military base rocked by a deadly explosion three months ago.

The blast on Nov. 12 killed 17 Iranian troops, including an officer regarded as the architect of Iran's missile defences. Iran said at the time the explosion at the facility, 45 km (28 miles) from Tehran, was an accident and occurred during research on weapons that could strike Israel.

Vice Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon, addressing Israel's annual Herzliya security conference, challenged the Iranian account that the weapons project was focused on targeting Israel, and implied Iran was seeking to extend its strike range fourfold.

He said the base was a research and development facility where Iran "was preparing to produce or develop a missile with a range of 10,000 km (6,000 miles) ... aimed at the 'Great Satan', the United States of America, and not us".

**Elvis** · 2012-02-04 11:09

Israel says Iran wants to blow up the US.

Israel says Mohammed Atta met in Prague w/ Iraqi agents and bought anthrax spores to use against the US.

Fuck Israel.

**Churchill** · 2012-02-04 11:10

lolllllll, Iran doesn't even have MRBM/SRBM missiles mastered yet. Calling total Mossad/Israeli bullshit. Nothing to see here.

**djzombie** · 2012-02-04 11:16

Yeah, I agree, just tired of constantly seeing this unsubstantiated bullshit in the media.

**ronin sparthos** · 2012-02-04 11:18

Sounds like an attempt to sell us a pitch to join a military engagement. I get a used car salesman vibe.

Imminent attack, imminent attack! Join us or you too will be wiped off the map.

**Fhqwghads** · 2012-02-04 12:31

I'm pretty concerned about this Israel/Iran shit. Israel is sounding more and more determined to attack Iran. The fallout from an attack is bound to start another world war, as Iran will have a bunch of sympathetic fence-sitters jump to their aid. The US being allied with Israel is going to have to do something when Iran retaliates, because you KNOW Iran will retaliate against Israel with nukes. Once that happens, how is shit going to go down? It's scarey to think of the series of events that could potentially happen. I'm really hoping that it's more empty threats, but how long can empty threats continue before someone crosses the line?

**Churchill** · 2012-02-04 12:57

Iran doesn't have nukes, what the fuck are you talking about lol

The thing American's should be concerned about is these guys; when Israel attacks Iran, it won't be Iranian missiles, oil, etc, that attacks Israel and the United States. Be prepared to have 9/11 look like a bad episode of carebears

**Elvis** · 2012-02-04 13:16

Originally Posted by Fhqwghads

I'm pretty concerned about this Israel/Iran shit. Israel is sounding more and more determined to attack Iran. The fallout from an attack is bound to start another world war, as Iran will have a bunch of sympathetic fence-sitters jump to their aid. The US being allied with Israel is going to have to do something when Iran retaliates, because you KNOW Iran will retaliate against Israel with nukes. Once that happens, how is shit going to go down? It's scarey to think of the series of events that could potentially happen. I'm really hoping that it's more empty threats, but how long can empty threats continue before someone crosses the line?

Iran doesn't have nukes. Israel does though and unlike Iran, has not signed the NPT.

**Fhqwghads** · 2012-02-04 18:19

How do we know they don't have nukes? What if everyone is wrong and they do?

**Elvis** · 2012-02-04 18:23

Originally Posted by Fhqwghads

How do we know they don't have nukes? What if everyone is wrong and they do?

How do we know that YOU don't have nukes? Seriously, your name is 'fhqwghads' which sounds suspicious for me.

**Elvis** · 2012-02-04 18:36

As a side-note, since I didn't cite this before in the comment above Fqkfhjlkdfshk's post:

Source: George Washington University's National Security Archive (all based on primary sources obtained after the Freedom of Information Act)

More info. (again, based on primary sources - declassified documents, cables, reports)

**solanis** · 2012-02-04 18:46

Elvis knows more about Iran's nuclear plans than all of mossad. they should just hire you, kiddo!

**Xno Kappa** · 2012-02-04 18:54

Originally Posted by Fhqwghads

I'm pretty concerned about this Israel/Iran shit. Israel is sounding more and more determined to attack Iran. The fallout from an attack is bound to start another world war, as Iran will have a bunch of sympathetic fence-sitters jump to their aid. The US being allied with Israel is going to have to do something when Iran retaliates, because you KNOW Iran will retaliate against Israel with nukes. Once that happens, how is shit going to go down? It's scarey to think of the series of events that could potentially happen. I'm really hoping that it's more empty threats, but how long can empty threats continue before someone crosses the line?

lol Who the fuck is gonna back Iran?

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