Maryland Speed cameras

[Acevalefor]

parking tickets(again, in Oregon since it's a state issue) are not enforceable at all...the most they can do is request vehicle owner information from the DMV and send you a few collection notices. They cannot report you to a credit bureau and cannot attach anything to your driving record or vehicle. It says right on the citations that it is a good faith citation and they kindly ask you to pay the fine. So, again it seems like other states are simply chasing revenue with parking tickets and speed cameras where the driver is not identified and the residents like Ksandra are just fine with that.

Tell you what Ksandra, just wait until you are wrongly accused of something and then convicted. You will change your tune when you find out just how little power you have in our fucked up court system. Your faith in our government will be non-existent. Just tell me how it feels to have to pay a $180 fine plus a 40% increase in insurance rates for the next 3 years because your husband/boyfriend didn't see the school zone sign on a Sunday morning. Remember, you should just take him to court to recover the costs...

[Gregorio]

If your husband/boyfriend is refusing to pay you for a fine they racked up, I'd say you have bigger problems than the $75 fine you're going to get in the mail. Also, it's been said before, those tickets don't add points to your license, or affect your insurance rates.

[archibaldcrane]

Ace, it doesn't give you points so your insurance doesn't go up.

But everything else you said, yeah.

[Ksandra]

If your husband/boyfriend is refusing to pay you for a fine they racked up, I'd say you have bigger problems than the $75 fine you're going to get in the mail. Also, it's been said before, those tickets don't add points to your license, or affect your insurance rates.

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again you can get the money from the person. shit is not that serious an issue

[archibaldcrane]

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again you can get the money from the person. shit is not that serious an issue

yet it's still completely unnecessary and totally avoidable

[Acevalefor]

If your husband/boyfriend is refusing to pay you for a fine they racked up, I'd say you have bigger problems than the $75 fine you're going to get in the mail. Also, it's been said before, those tickets don't add points to your license, or affect your insurance rates.

Oh but they do...because insurance companies don't give a flying fuck how you got the ticket. They will just jack up your rates and tell you to pay it or go on down the road to the next company that will do the same thing. I know how shitty insurance companies are. I am paying higher rates right now because I didn't renew my license on time because I am forgetful. My insurance company jacked the rate up because they figured I had to still be driving the car that was insured and since I was still driving it with an expired license, I must be a high risk driver.

I have no idea what the points thing is though. There's nothing like that where I live. Just a driving record that does include speeding tickets from radar cameras.

Edit: Call it ignorance of how insurance companies in other states operate. But here, they don't have to differentiate even between moving violations and secondary offenses. (i.e. a ticket for non-working dash lights after the cop already ticketed you for rolling through the stop sign)

EditEdit: As far as the boyfriend thing, I was appealing to how it would feel to be put in that situation. Not whether or not he would pay the fine. Any way you cut it, it is a citation for something you did not do.

[Gregorio]

Now you're just pulling things out of your ass. The insurance companies can not raise your rates based on speed cameras. Something an actual officer issues you can, but a camera, no.

http://www.insurance.com/auto-insura...nce-rates.aspx

http://www.insurancehotline.com/photo-radar-tickets/

[Acevalefor]

Now you're just pulling things out of your ass. The insurance companies can not raise your rates based on speed cameras. Something an actual officer issues you can, but a camera, no.

http://www.insurance.com/auto-insura...nce-rates.aspx

http://www.insurancehotline.com/photo-radar-tickets/

There is a difference between CAN NOT and NORMALLY DO NOT. They can raise rates and they do raise rates for whatever frivolous reason they feel like.

[Ksandra]

EditEdit: As far as the boyfriend thing, I was appealing to how it would feel to be put in that situation. Not whether or not he would pay the fine. Any way you cut it, it is a citation for something you did not do.

Never do that because it can always fail you. My husband actually did back up into another car with my car. We were on our way to the Del Mar fair for the first time, since he knew the route he drove, but backed up into a car while pulling out of a parking spot at the grocery store (where we bought the tickets).

I didn't flip out at the system that it was my car and my husband driving it. I let him drive it. We dealt with the insurance companies and I payed my deductible and moved on with my life. Shit wasn't that serious then either.

[edit] to clarify, we weren't married at the time so weren't sharing insurance companies or anything.

You're going off on anecdotal evidence of you getting fucked over by insurance companies (who are dicks, yes, that doesn't mean we have our laws revolve around them), and your evidence is about something YOU did not another person in your car. Really it's a bad example to be giving.

[hey]

you then take your friend to court, all it does is save a step, which is fine btw, but not enough to rage over those that have an extra one.

A quick google shows a few states cost $15, some $40, and at least one costs $75. So no, actually. It doesn't just save a step. In some states, it's not even possible at all, and in all others, it's a stupid waste of time that no one would do. And even if you were to do so, guess what? You're the accuser this time, and need to prove they were driving your car. Wait...if you could do that, wouldn't they have given them the ticket in the first place?


Also, idon'twanttoliveonthisplanetanymore.jpg

[Gregorio]

There is a difference between CAN NOT and NORMALLY DO NOT. They can raise rates and they do raise rates for whatever frivolous reason they feel like.

I've yet to hear or read about a case in MD or any other state where a persons insurance went up because of being ticketed by a speed camera. Any talk of insurance rates going up as a result of them in studies has been related to increased accidents because of the cameras (through people slamming on their brakes and stuff that results from that).

[Nephlite]

I don't think Red Light or Speed Camera qualify for DMV notification anyways so if you get a ticket, an insurance company can't get a copy of the ticket by normal means. Most companies (cept for state insurances) don't have access to personal files held by the Department of Transportation. Those Red Light and Speed Camera tickets don't mean anything except a fine (got one on New York Avenue heading in to D.C. for 75 in a 40 and just paid a huge fine, no points or DMV notifications). Even if you were applying for a job, a lot of employers don't even ask if you got one of them. Just the serious offenses and Traffic Police issued citations. The best part about a lot of those Red Light/Speed Cameras is you don't have to appear for court. Just mail in your ticket + fine in a check and you're golden.

On the flip side of that, try to make sure you pay your fines. If you don't, that's when the ticket is handed over from the Department of Transportation to the DMV. The DMV then notifies your insurance company and THEN the DMV can: 1) Suspend your license, 2) Make you unable to renew registration/license without first paying the fine, 3) Issue a warrant for your arrest (if you accrue enough tickets), or 3) Notify your insurance agency who in turn raises your rates due to the citation turning in to an traffic offense to a CRIMINAL offense. That's the key there as most of these tickets issued are civil violations which don't require much more than the fine and unpaid ones then turn in to criminal violations which can fuck your driving record up. Usually such language is printed on the back of the citation which will let you know the penalties of not paying a fine.

[Cream Soda]

lol like I said earlier, they should just start giving fines to the cars themselves.

If they can prove your car is in violation, the the car should be impounded and/or suspended until a fee is paid in the car's name. :D

Problem solved!

[Aksannyi]

That would actually be a great plan, so many people rely on their vehicle to live their lives, if you don't have your car you can't get to work, and if you can't get to work you lose the roof over your head. A lot of people are in that very precarious position and would be a lot more likely to pay $40 if they thought they might lose their ride.

Losing a license or insurance? Nigga please, I know you bitches be driving without, I have done it in the past when I was so broke the only thing I could do was drive as safely as possible to and from work and finally spend the money to renew when I was finally able to afford it. But not having the vehicle? Well, I'd have been 100% fucked.

[RKenshin]

5+ pages of people arguing over who is guilty if your friend is driving when you get a ticket from one of these cameras, and it says pretty clearly at the http://www.stopbigbrothermd.org website linked throughout this thread that the single viable defense you can argue in court is that someone else was driving the car.

It's just you also have to bring that someone else with you to court, and they have to admit to and accept the ticket.

[hey]

It's just you also have to bring that someone else with you to court, and they have to admit to and accept the ticket.

read: it's not a viable defense.

[Gregorio]

Because I loan my car to people I don't trust all the time.

[NynJa]

Lets say 1% of these are issued to people who had someone else driving their car. Is that extremely conservative estimate low enough for you? Ok, so 1% of 1.9 million per year is 19,000 tickets issued to the wrong person in one state alone. Per year.

All because there's no camera identifying the driver. Hmmm. That's a lot of tickets issued to the wrong person.

I havent read anything from pages 2 and 3...but its YOUR car, you should know whos in YOUR car. If you dont know whos in YOUR car, how come it was never reported stolen in the time that the infraction was recorded, and you got the proof in the mail (which will take a couple days)?


Theres a reason these infractions dont remove demerit points, because they cant prove, as was said, who the driver was. However, they can prove that your vehicle was going over the limit. As far as comparing speeding ticket prices...150$ in quebec for going 20 over.

[Tweek]

Because I loan my car to people I don't trust all the time.

my car has been gone for about a week, no idea who has it but don't feel like reporting it stolen, usually it turns back up.. hopefully I see it soon gotta head back to work on the 3rd

[Apelila]

I hate this whole "guys lemme prove this doesn't work 100% with this completely asinine example that rarely happens, and therefore since it doesn't work 100% we need to get rid of it completely".

Except it does happen, and I didn't pull the example out of my ass. It's even in the state we're talking about. Google "Speed camera prank". Since its from over a year ago it's hard to find links to news sites that aren't dead, so in before "but that's an article on boing boing I need a researched and citated article that's notorized!"

Freaking hell, its like arguing on the official FFXI forums up in here.